Nvidia will have held back the thing you are really hoping for, whatever it is.
A powerful new chapter for Windows PCs, accelerated by Nvidia RTX Spark
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#12Skimmed through the page no mention of what spark is. Is it a new ISA? SoC with CPU, GPU and NPU? Or just GPU+AI?
It is the same CPU previously used in the overpriced DGX Spark.
It has 10 big Cortex-X925 cores, which are competitive with the Intel P-cores and with the AMD Zen cores, plus 10 small Cortex-A725 cores, which are similar in performance with the older Intel E-cores, from the Meteor Lake, Raptor Lake and Alder Lake generations. The current Intel E-cores are similar to Cortex-X4, i.e. they are much faster.
This Arm based CPU is more powerful that any Arm-based CPU previously used in a non-Apple PC, but in multi-threaded applications it is inferior to AMD Strix Halo CPUs.
The GPU of this is different from that of DGX, which was good only at ML/AI, but poor for graphics.
Here the GPU is likely to be good for graphics, and the top model will have up to 6144 FP32 execution units compared to 2560 of Strix Halo. But I assume that at least the top models will also be much more expensive than Strix Halo.
This NVIDIA CPU+GPU is limited to 128 GB of DRAM, while the successor of Strix Halo, which has been announced recently, offers up to 192 GB of DRAM, so NVIDIA continues its tradition of always providing less memory than its competitors, in order to have better profit margins.
Re: A powerful new chapter for Windows PCs, accelerated by Nvidia RTX Spark
#13MS announced Surface Laptop Ultra with this SoC. 15", 128GB RAM, no pricing yet.
1: https://www.theverge.com/tech/940584/microsoft-surface-lapto...
Re: A powerful new chapter for Windows PCs, accelerated by Nvidia RTX Spark
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sooooo they binned all their old DGX Spark crap to pawn on poor clueless consumers to try to be an ARM fighter and probably still fail miserably behind Apple Silicon and even likely older Qualcomm metal running Windows. And Mediatek ? Oof. I assume the SOC comes pre compromised out of the box.
> And Mediatek? Oof. I assume the SOC comes pre compromised out of the box. If by compromised you mean “china bad”, mediatek is taiwanese not chinese. Same home as asus, asrock, tsmc, htc, acer, d link, adata, biostar, insyde, gskill, foxconn, realtek and many others. From the chip to bios in your pc probably. If you mean quality, they make efficient and more powerful chipsets especially gpu wise compared to qualcomm…
MediaTek used to supply a lot of lower-performance MIPS and ARM chips during 2010s. GP probably has that MediaTek == bad experience association. The actual chips weren't unreliable or horribly engineered, just slow, but people don't make a clear distinction there.
Re: A powerful new chapter for Windows PCs, accelerated by Nvidia RTX Spark
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
As best as I can tell its something like the Apple M series SoC, but for Windows: CPU + GPU with unified memory. It has 6,144 CUDA cores is similar to a RTX 4070 (5,888) but a lot less than a 4090 (16,384), but what it does have is support for FP4. When they claim "1 Petaflop AI compute", thats what they mean. For comparison, a RTX 4090 has ~1.3 Petaflops of FP8 processing. The second big deal is the NVLink-C2C inter…
I don't understand why this isn't bigger news - this is a laptop SoC with actual gaming hardware running on ARM - unlike Apple's M series, which tend to have rather underwhelming perf in games compared to what the specs would suggest, finally we can have a thin-and-light with an efficient gaming GPU. Considering how much Valve invested into ARM emulation, it's quite possible the next Steam Deck/handheld will use a va…
It's seeming to be going to be an another DGX Sparks that aren't so faster than maxed out Mac Studio, nor cheaper than 4x Blackwell on a workstation, nor cloud tokens. That's why.
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#17Just a bunch of nonsense text strung together.
“Top agentic and AI developer workloads like GitHub Copilot, Claude Code, ComfyUI, Cursor and more now run across all modern PC silicon – making Windows the ideal platform for AI-assisted development”
None of these tools make use of local GPU whatsoever.
Re: A powerful new chapter for Windows PCs, accelerated by Nvidia RTX Spark
#18Just a bunch of nonsense text strung together. “Top agentic and AI developer workloads like GitHub Copilot, Claude Code, ComfyUI, Cursor and more now run across all modern PC silicon – making Windows the ideal platform for AI-assisted development” None of these tools make use of local GPU whatsoever.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
> And Mediatek? Oof. I assume the SOC comes pre compromised out of the box. If by compromised you mean “china bad”, mediatek is taiwanese not chinese. Same home as asus, asrock, tsmc, htc, acer, d link, adata, biostar, insyde, gskill, foxconn, realtek and many others. From the chip to bios in your pc probably. If you mean quality, they make efficient and more powerful chipsets especially gpu wise compared to qualcomm…
MediaTek used to supply a lot of lower-performance MIPS and ARM chips during 2010s. GP probably has that MediaTek == bad experience association. The actual chips weren't unreliable or horribly engineered, just slow, but people don't make a clear distinction there.
MediaTek may of caught up, but they're still associated with inefficient Chinese junk.
Re: A powerful new chapter for Windows PCs, accelerated by Nvidia RTX Spark
#20Just a bunch of nonsense text strung together. “Top agentic and AI developer workloads like GitHub Copilot, Claude Code, ComfyUI, Cursor and more now run across all modern PC silicon – making Windows the ideal platform for AI-assisted development” None of these tools make use of local GPU whatsoever.
> ComfyUI
Nitpick, but I remember running it specifically because there was a way to run LLMs on local hardware.