Metafiction thought of as a precursor for hypertext fiction is not anything new I believe? Awesome paper either way, just thinking that the title is quite hyperbolic.
Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
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Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#12Nice to see more literature on HN recently -- Infinite Jest came up yesterday to my delight. Pale Fire is not my favorite Nabokov novel, largely because it's so successful at getting you in the head of someone who just fully and completely gives you the ick, top to bottom, in nearly every sentence. This paper is awesome, though. I particularly like that Mr. Rowberry went ahead and graphed a bunch of connections, very…
[1] If you have physical cards you are destroying the default hierarchical path if you shuffle them and that could be a pain in arse to reconstruct, and your ability to find a note with physical cards also depends on the hierarchy. Digital cards have different problems.
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#13Nice to see more literature on HN recently -- Infinite Jest came up yesterday to my delight. Pale Fire is not my favorite Nabokov novel, largely because it's so successful at getting you in the head of someone who just fully and completely gives you the ick, top to bottom, in nearly every sentence. This paper is awesome, though. I particularly like that Mr. Rowberry went ahead and graphed a bunch of connections, very…
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#14I love this book. Before anything else it's a pleasure to read: it's funny, touching, and the constant referring to the poem at its core forces literary engagement - even if it's only to notice where Kinbote is bending the truth. It also scratches a metafictional itch that has now become a huge trend in modern media... Spoilers below ...but I find it suffers in criticism for a different trend: that everything has a '…
I went into it blind and the first thought ( which is probably very common ) is that this experience would greatly benefit from a hypertext implementation. There's a neutral interpretation here. https://www.tundrasquid.com/palefireindex.htm
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#15Nice to see more literature on HN recently -- Infinite Jest came up yesterday to my delight. Pale Fire is not my favorite Nabokov novel, largely because it's so successful at getting you in the head of someone who just fully and completely gives you the ick, top to bottom, in nearly every sentence. This paper is awesome, though. I particularly like that Mr. Rowberry went ahead and graphed a bunch of connections, very…
spoiler: it is just one mind (solipsism). it deals with all kinds of dysphoria, especially gender and temporal (age). Nabokov misdirects away from psychoanalysis with the Freudian hate, but the Jung anima/animus and shadow are obvious. for historiographical background, Nabokov's brother died in the Holocaust where he was taken for being homosexual, and dealt at the time with both the Red and Lavender Scare of McCarthyism. there is a full stanza in the poem about Shade shaving his/her leg. and the, depending on context, hilarious or melancholic references to the loss of "crown jewels". references to "complications of an operation" as well. it is plausible that all of this is a product of Aunt Maud's dementia, where we see Maud's "handsome" lover (older woman) and patron welcomed by Shade in his birthday.
the "dual" in dual blue is in the context of chess puzzles where there are two solutions when one is ideal. indeed the novel was set up to show a most brilliant set up of stealing the "Pale Fire" of the poem into the "Pale Fire" of the novel with notes, and this still holds regardless whether it is all Professor Botkin and Kinbote his mind's reflection in the "mirrorland" of Zembla (which is the pre-Soviet Russia in Nabokov's head that no longer exist).
to me, of all Pale Fire derivatives such as Infinite Jest (a nod to lifting a title from Shakespeare) by Wallace, Gravity's Rainbow by Nabokov's student at Cornell who in a previous work "borrowed" Nabokov's Sebastian Knight, and Danielewski's House of Leaves, Danielewski succeeds in emulating Nabokov's most delicate romanticism above a semiotician's sensibilities, especially in exploring the archetypal in the architectural through Bachelard and Derrida.
but after my second reading, none of its echoes could compare to the original arrant thief.
if you are open to other forms, as someone who is a disciple of Godard and Kubrick, who organized viewing and discussion of 2001 with students and faculty, i can say that the animated work Sonny Boy is a direct adaptation of Pale Fire (i.e. a solipsist dysphoria) and surpasses the masters of cinema and animation (Shingo Natsume's mentor is the peerless genius Masaaki Yuasa) with his cinematic "grammar". i am on my phone and will update this with references from the book once i get my laptop (i only use hn with my phone).
i wish i could quote Kinbote's diss on those who read the poem and stopped at that. after my second read i felt completely bamboozled and could hear Nabokov's prerecorded snorts echoing through time just to ridicule my myopic mind.
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
> the usage of Nabokov's book as a demo for hypertext I get what you are saying, but should just point out that the Kindle version of the Penguin edition provides hypertext links from the poem to the deranged narrator's commentary. I remember reading a paper edition sometime back when, and being able to flip via hypertext is definitely superior to paper page flipping. And I'm someone that loves paper books. This is a…
Interesting, I have the exact opposite experience with flipping vs linking when it comes to books like _Pale Fire_. It's a lot more difficult for me to read the end notes on kindle, especially when it cross references more than one other end notes. Just couldn't keep my head straight as where I had been already. I had to buy a paper copy of _Pale Fire_ after fidgeting on my kindle (which I usually prefer) for a while…
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#17I mean, you can buy a copy in any reasonable bookshop, so I'm not sure how "lost" it is.
The article talks about Ted Nelson's demo about hypertext. The first version of the demo was using Nabokov's Pale Fire book. This first version of the demo has been lost. The article is not saying that Nabokov's book has been lost, but that the usage of Nabokov's book as a demo for hypertext has been lost.
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#18Nice to see more literature on HN recently -- Infinite Jest came up yesterday to my delight. Pale Fire is not my favorite Nabokov novel, largely because it's so successful at getting you in the head of someone who just fully and completely gives you the ick, top to bottom, in nearly every sentence. This paper is awesome, though. I particularly like that Mr. Rowberry went ahead and graphed a bunch of connections, very…
i had a second reading, and i am convinced it is the greatest work of Art. a lot of people, myself included, bit the ruse that Kinbote was some parody of a mad man and ignored everything but the poem. but the notes have the most beautiful verses in the history of literature, even more beautiful, far more beautiful than the poem. spoiler: it is just one mind (solipsism). it deals with all kinds of dysphoria, especiall…
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article talks about Ted Nelson's demo about hypertext. The first version of the demo was using Nabokov's Pale Fire book. This first version of the demo has been lost. The article is not saying that Nabokov's book has been lost, but that the usage of Nabokov's book as a demo for hypertext has been lost.
> the usage of Nabokov's book as a demo for hypertext I get what you are saying, but should just point out that the Kindle version of the Penguin edition provides hypertext links from the poem to the deranged narrator's commentary. I remember reading a paper edition sometime back when, and being able to flip via hypertext is definitely superior to paper page flipping. And I'm someone that loves paper books. This is a…
Re: Nabokov's pale fire: the lost 'father of all hypertext demos'? (2011)
#20(Read it as printed or read it jumping from numbered chunk to numbered chunk in the alternative order.)