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Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster

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Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster

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Post by philipallstar »

Daunk wrote: post #9
tamimio wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn’t about corruption, when your data is now shared freely with other “partners”. > Norway, Sweden, and Israel partner to test CBDCs ( https://reclaimthenet.org/norway-sweden-and-israel-partner-t... ) Debanking someone is basically ending their lives in modern days, when your ID is linked to the banks, an ID that’s also to be used for digital services, you could get debanked for criticizing a politician in the fu…

I absolutely agree. I just don't like this American superiority on HN.

You're the one mentioning America.

Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster

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Post by rokkamokka »

tamimio wrote: post #7
Daunk wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably because they're not corrupt America. They don't walk around checking their back every minute for "Uncle Freedom" screwing them over.

It isn’t about corruption, when your data is now shared freely with other “partners”. > Norway, Sweden, and Israel partner to test CBDCs ( https://reclaimthenet.org/norway-sweden-and-israel-partner-t... ) Debanking someone is basically ending their lives in modern days, when your ID is linked to the banks, an ID that’s also to be used for digital services, you could get debanked for criticizing a politician in the fu…

How is this different from any other form of identification? If you are stripped of that you still wouldn't be able to access these services.

Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster

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Post by M95D »

rokkamokka wrote: post #12
tamimio wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn’t about corruption, when your data is now shared freely with other “partners”. > Norway, Sweden, and Israel partner to test CBDCs ( https://reclaimthenet.org/norway-sweden-and-israel-partner-t... ) Debanking someone is basically ending their lives in modern days, when your ID is linked to the banks, an ID that’s also to be used for digital services, you could get debanked for criticizing a politician in the fu…

How is this different from any other form of identification? If you are stripped of that you still wouldn't be able to access these services.

I never heard of an ID card being revoked. Reasons for refusing to renew it are also very few in my country - like not having a place to live (owned or rented).

Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster

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Post by tamimio »

rokkamokka wrote: post #12
tamimio wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn’t about corruption, when your data is now shared freely with other “partners”. > Norway, Sweden, and Israel partner to test CBDCs ( https://reclaimthenet.org/norway-sweden-and-israel-partner-t... ) Debanking someone is basically ending their lives in modern days, when your ID is linked to the banks, an ID that’s also to be used for digital services, you could get debanked for criticizing a politician in the fu…

How is this different from any other form of identification? If you are stripped of that you still wouldn't be able to access these services.

The difference is the link between your digital footprint and real life one. Without a digital ID, there’s a huge margin of using many digital services while maintaining a privacy, even more, anonymity too. With a digital ID, there’s a connected link between the two, further expanding the surveillance capabilities, coupled with AI to profile user’s sentiment and emotions (in Canada, they admit that will be one of the use cases https://www.canada.ca/en/government/system/digital-governmen...), you will end up in some monitored list for just stating some online opinions, if not even getting a visit, or more.

There are even tools are being sold to do that, an israeli company called logivote made a tool to scan the social media and check who bad mouthed the politicians. So expect in the near future, you bad mouth one, you get sent to jail the next day, or debanked.

Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster

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Post by hobofan »

lifestyleguru wrote: post #5
tamimio wrote: post #2

Digital ID is a catastrophe, in Norway or elsewhere. But that doesn’t matter because the purpose of such ID is more surveillance, and if any issue happens you might end up liable like that man mentioned in the article. Right now in countries where digital ID isn’t yet implemented, phone numbers are used instead to link your digital identity to the real one, and most countries require government ID to issue one, and s…

I'm confused how Nordic countries accepted linking banking login with government ID. Neither of them is your friend and both of them are not a friend in a completely different way.

That seems better than the alternative in Belgium. There the prevalent ID app "itsme" was launched by a consortium of banks.

Last year the government launched an goverment owned alternative "myGov" and now has to claw back market share, which I don't see working out.

Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster

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Post by thyristan »

tyfon wrote: post #8
lifestyleguru wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused how Nordic countries accepted linking banking login with government ID. Neither of them is your friend and both of them are not a friend in a completely different way.

It's not linking banking login with government id. It is a story of the banks solving an issue with remote identification and the system working well enough that the public/government also want to use it for other things. Being able to sign contracts, engage with the healthcare system, file taxes, read messages from the government and do general banking without having to leave the home is a massive convenience boost.…

> We are a high trust society where the government or the banks are not out to "get you".

That's not the meaning of a "high trust society".

You are _trusting_ that the banks and the government are not out to get you. That doesn't mean that they _really_ aren't out to get you. You just believe they aren't and haven't yet been disappointed enough to change your belief...

Edit: and the original article shows btw. that there is yet another failure mode, not only "out to get you". It's that the banks and the government obviously don't care a bit if some people are intentionally left behind.

Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster

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Post by wood_spirit »

The article title actually says it is a success as well as a disaster. The title here has been shortened.

And, as the professor in the article explains, it is a “disaster” for a small minority. And those are not he same minority who struggled for the same reasons before, and those difficulties ought be addressed. The system can be improved.

But it’s largely a success for the vast majority too. I don’t personally know of anyone with a negative impression of it. It’s actually something that the average Nordic Baltic person is so used to and happy with that it only comes to mind when we meet people from countries that aren’t organised - and we feel sorry for them!

It’s the same situation with cash. Very few people in a cashless society are wanting to go back to the old ways.

Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster

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Post by Aurornis »

> The report tells the story of Bendik, who has Down syndrome and is denied BankID, thereby losing access to digital public services due to his diagnosis.

The article is light on details. Are people being denied BankID due to having an autism diagnosis?

There are some crazy details in this story that are presented as side notes in between long paragraphs of filler text that don’t contribute anything. It’s an article where you keep reading expecting some explanations that never arrive.

Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster

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Post by mistrial9 »

wood_spirit wrote: post #17

The article title actually says it is a success as well as a disaster. The title here has been shortened. And, as the professor in the article explains, it is a “disaster” for a small minority. And those are not he same minority who struggled for the same reasons before, and those difficulties ought be addressed. The system can be improved. But it’s largely a success for the vast majority too. I don’t personally know…

> average Nordic Baltic person

there is no average person, it is a myth of statistics.

Re: Digital identity management in Norway is a success but also a disaster

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Post by bflesch »

WinstonSmith84 wrote: post #10

On the plus side, their database has still not been hacked .. like it has happened one month ago in France, with the "ANTS" (the French equivalent). More than 10 millions people had their data leaked including pretty much everything from SSN, to email, phone, etc. A mine gold for Phishers and Scammers.

Why would they leak the data of only 10M people and not all? Just to cause damage or were some people filtered out?
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