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Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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Basically why my car is so old it doesn't even have a CAN bus. Roslin: I heard you're one of those people. You're actually afraid of computers. Adama: No, there are many computers on this ship. But they're not networked. Roslin: A computerized network would simply make it faster and easier for the teachers to be able to teach- Adama: Let me explain something to you. Many good men and women lost their lives aboard thi…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uozmyRPVRHk

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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With cars, networked computers are encroaching on privacy from two sides: the computers inside the car sharing sensor data and the computers outside the car sharing camera data from known points on the road.

Older cars may not have cellular data, and some new cars (e.g. the Slate electric car) may be specifically designed without cellular connections or with easily removable chips, but so much can still be inferred from omnipresent roadside surveillance.

It's not enough even to have private cars. The solution must be legislation that limits all of: data collected by cars and cameras, data shared among third parties, and placement of cameras without informed, specific, continuing public consent.

And every time flock-style cameras "could have" done some good, the surveillance state's cheerleaders will beat their drums and bleat their demands.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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I yanked the bridge between the rest of the car and the cellular board.

Yeah, I have a Ford F150 lightning. I just pulled fuse 8. I periodically connect it so I can receive over the air updates. I hope it doesn’t store all of its data and then upload it all at once every time I put the fuse back in.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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I do wonder about the tradeoff between convenience and the various negative externalities.

Example: trains are better for the environment than planes. I need to get from Copenhagen to London for a wedding next month. The train schedule is roughly 20 hours long, starts at 6am, several transfers, and something in the range of 250USD. On Skyscanner there's flights from Copenhagen to London essentially every 20 minutes, it takes an hour, and it costs 50USD. No wonder the ferry to London ended! No wonder everyone chooses the flight!

If you walk around Taiwan you'll see all sorts of failures of governance. 60 year old crumbling buildings with double stacked illegal builds on top, each floor worth 1 mil USD because there's just no supply here. Pedestrian hell because it takes coordination with 6 different agencies to get a green line fake sidewalk put on the road, let alone an actual infrastructure change. Rapidly escalating in-your-face wealth concentration as most new buildings are luxury condos that are immediately purchased, held, and kept empty by the ultra wealthy while their failsons cruise around Taipei in Lamborghinis, flagrantly violating traffic laws.

PRC propaganda against us is escalating and as soon as they learn to stop calling us separatists (and drop the Han Chauvinism angle that just centers Taiwanese identity around the island itself) and instead focus on how shit in the PRC Just Gets Done mostly to the benefit of the working class, you just gotta trade the right to protest and the right to privacy, I think that'll be the end of Taiwan sovereignty. I mean, wouldn't most people take that trade? A small increase in quality of life, an escalation in security and certainty, and all it means is you have to be a little more careful about what you say online?

I think about this a lot. I think this is the root of a lot of the problems that grew in our world - the absolutely understandable tendency in people to just want to get on in their lives, and how this makes them vulnerable to exploitation by people who are very willing to put in a bit of extra effort exploiting them.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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One thing I learned when I was homeless and 'stealth' camping is that if a place isn't accessible by car, and you haven't parked a car somewhere that would indicate to someone that a person had left a car and went somewhere, you are basically completely off the map and ~no one will discover you exist. Came in quite handy when finding locations to sleep without being bothered.

Re: Cars collect a startling amount of data about you

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post #8

I yanked the bridge between the rest of the car and the cellular board.

Yeah, I have a Ford F150 lightning. I just pulled fuse 8. I periodically connect it so I can receive over the air updates. I hope it doesn’t store all of its data and then upload it all at once every time I put the fuse back in.

You should use ForScan and disable the telemetry completely
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