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The real cost of owning a home

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Re: The real cost of owning a home

#11
This is nonsense.

The person counts the 12 month escrow prepayment during closing as "cost to get a loan" It's not. It's the cost of 12 months of taxes and insurance on your property.

Also notable is the "1 year insurance premium" either they're double counting the escrow, or this 1 year insurance premium is mortgage insurance where the bank makes you take out insurance to protect them. This can be prepaid, split paid, paid monthly, or you could put down 20%.

The lender makes you purchase title insurance for them, but this person also purchased title insurance for themselves. This is mostly just pure profit for the title company. The cost for the insurance is for the company to do the research, if they found an issue, they wouldn't insure the bank. Buying it for yourself is mostly just lighting money on fire.

A lot of those closing costs are shoppable, you can find better lenders. Before closing, you're given a truth in lending disclosure with all this carefully spelled out. If you don't do even basic due diligence, I question if you have the financial literacy to own a home.

I'll also note, they didn't mention in their closing costs paying for a home inspection (beyond termites). This is likely why they had to pay for real repairs on the house.

One of their "repairs" is new water pipes. There's no reason listed for this, but this is often pushed by door to door salesmen telling you need to do it to protect your property/health and is mostly, like all door to door sales, a scam.

That note about counting the cost of heating and cooling is similarly nonsense. They claim "apartments are almost always smaller than houses" which isn't true, and count electricity rate increases as cost of ownership, rentals have to pay that too. They also assert, with clearly no evidence that heating and cooling is half their electric bill. There's easy ways to figure this out, an emporia can do it easily.

The whole premise is flawed. They note that in the beginning only 20% of their payment goes to principle and A) you can control that (bigger downpayment so no PMI, less interest), bigger more frequent payments or a shorter loan, and B) exactly 0% of your rent payment goes to your principle.

This might better be an examination of "can I afford a mortgage with the same rent payment as I make today" and the answer, not surprisingly, is no, if your rent payments are a the top end of what you can afford.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#12
On the other hand, renting comes with hidden (and some not so hidden) costs too.

The main one for me is the inherent precariousness that comes with renting. You don’t know how much longer you’re going to be able to stay in your apartment, whether that be due to rent hikes or the landlord deciding that they want to give the apartment to their nephew or any number of other things. The constant low level stress of knowing that you might need to go through the hell of apartment hunting and moving annually is awful.

It’s been much nicer to have a mortgage with more or less locked in monthly payment, even with the maintenance costs that come with the territory. It’s more predictable and frees up mental bandwidth for other things.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#13
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> You can save a lot of money in maintenance and repairs by doing your own work whenever possible. True. But even if you have the physical ability, skills, tools, and equipment handy - you can spend a lot of time on maintenance & repairs. Just ask anyone who's done yard work for a few years, or has repainted a house, or ...

Yeah I was surprised not to see the opportunity cost angle in this article. For high income tech workers the opportunity cost can be huge

Depending on the job, you can also do it better yourself than what you can reasonably pay for.

I built a custom shelf for my closet. It'd have costed me an arm and a leg to have someone else do that, even with a tech worker's salary.

I also built a custom walk-in closet. It took me a day, saved me over 2k and I got a better quality closet out of it. (You find find built yourself a walk-in-closet kits that are easy to assemble, it really isn't that hard, just don't get the home depot level quality ones.)

Re: The real cost of owning a home

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With a mortgage, you are forced to save money. In other words you have no way around being disciplined. So yes in theory you could probably make more money with aggressive investing, but chances are most people would risk too much and lose a lot and never have the mental discipline of saving the excess they have no matter what happens in their life.

Only on paper.

You can borrow from your property’s value by neglecting maintenance, and that is sometimes even harder to notice than dollars in a bank account.

This is one of the ways condo ownership can bite you.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#15
I think 1% per year is insufficient for repairs. Even a paint job will cost more than that these days.

There's also a potential HOA fee, even in many neighborhoods with freestanding homes.

But there are tax benefits of home ownership too. The interest deduction used to very significant, although less now since they raised the standard deduction. There's also a $250K/500K non-taxable capital gains benefit when you sell a house for more than you paid.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#16

On the other hand, renting comes with hidden (and some not so hidden) costs too. The main one for me is the inherent precariousness that comes with renting. You don’t know how much longer you’re going to be able to stay in your apartment, whether that be due to rent hikes or the landlord deciding that they want to give the apartment to their nephew or any number of other things. The constant low level stress of knowi…

Most folks rent before they buy, and so they are aware of the hazards of renting.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#19
Yep. Yet many on here (and other specific online forums) will tell you that your only options should be owning a home or renting an apartment because they don't feel the single family home they desire is within their price range, and resort to advocating for short-sighted, draconian policies as an means to an end that is favorable for them.

Re: The real cost of owning a home

#20
>You've probably heard someone say something to the effect of "renting is just throwing your money away". Don't believe it. It's a glib statement that simply isn't true.

If you take literally anything away from this article, this opening line is it. People who say this bought their house decades ago and have no clue what the present situation is.

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