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West Coast Cities Turn to Vacancy Taxes to Grapple with Housing Crisis

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Re: West Coast Cities Turn to Vacancy Taxes to Grapple with Housing Crisis

#11

Vancouver development is in bad shape now thanks to these taxes and a glut of new supply that was built with financing not available to the average developer Pre sales are dead. Some projects are in receivership. New Projects are not going ahead

Shouldn't more supply result in lower prices?

Re: West Coast Cities Turn to Vacancy Taxes to Grapple with Housing Crisis

#12
post #7

I can’t see it being a bad thing. The kind of landlord who is willing to keep a property vacant is not usually a struggling enterprise, unless we are talking about a completely hollowed out declining metropolitan area (which most west coast cities absolutely are not). In my city, one development in a highly desirable area basically demolished a historic building, built a new one with far more prime retail space inclu…

I wish we didn't have to guess about these things.

Re: West Coast Cities Turn to Vacancy Taxes to Grapple with Housing Crisis

#13

Vancouver development is in bad shape now thanks to these taxes and a glut of new supply that was built with financing not available to the average developer Pre sales are dead. Some projects are in receivership. New Projects are not going ahead

Did we read the same article?

> A feature of the EHT is that it focuses on residential properties, not commercial spaces

> [Due to] the shift to remote work during the pandemic, office vacancies remain stubbornly high in many cities.

> With the combination of Vancouver’s EHT combined with the province’s SVT, the taxes are credited with reducing the residential vacancy rate to 0.49%

Re: West Coast Cities Turn to Vacancy Taxes to Grapple with Housing Crisis

#14
post #3

This article is terrible. It starts off talking about high vacancy rates for commercial properties, then segues to talking about housing shortages. Vacancy rates for housing is definitely not in the 27% range implied by the article. They're in the single digits, with the hottest housing markets also having the lowest rates. https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/current/index.html https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/data/…

Agreed that the writing is poor and difficult to follow, but the vacancy rate mentioned was regarding commercial properties:

> Portland, Oregon reached another post-pandemic high of downtown office vacancies – 27%

Re: West Coast Cities Turn to Vacancy Taxes to Grapple with Housing Crisis

#15
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not both? Subsidize development and permitting fees with vacancy taxes.

I think it was sarcasm.

Given that their reply is on decreasing development fees, it seems that they understood the sarcasm.

Re: West Coast Cities Turn to Vacancy Taxes to Grapple with Housing Crisis

#16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because development and permitting fees aren’t the problem. People already want to build new homes. We just don’t allow them to do so. In fact, those subsidies are often part of the problem. The only way to get new development approved in many cases is to include a number of below-market units in the development… even though they are subsidized, that mandate kills the economics of the project. It happens often enough…

Well whatever. Hand vacancy taxes to developers as straight cash incentives to build more. Bonus per unit completed or any other metric that isn't subject to gaming. The point is, make it cheaper to build.

I think you're misunderstanding the problem. Everyone wants to build more. Cities won't let them. It's often arbitrary and capricious.

Re: West Coast Cities Turn to Vacancy Taxes to Grapple with Housing Crisis

#17

Vancouver development is in bad shape now thanks to these taxes and a glut of new supply that was built with financing not available to the average developer Pre sales are dead. Some projects are in receivership. New Projects are not going ahead

Did we read the same article? > A feature of the EHT is that it focuses on residential properties, not commercial spaces > [Due to] the shift to remote work during the pandemic, office vacancies remain stubbornly high in many cities. > With the combination of Vancouver’s EHT combined with the province’s SVT, the taxes are credited with reducing the residential vacancy rate to 0.49%

A residential vacancy rate that low means people are deeply stuck - that means the market has almost no slack, and people can't move there. That's a very very bad situation - employers want to hire more people, but they can't get talent because that talent can't move. AND the people who can't move then can't get the better paying jobs they're being offered.

Re: West Coast Cities Turn to Vacancy Taxes to Grapple with Housing Crisis

#18

Vancouver development is in bad shape now thanks to these taxes and a glut of new supply that was built with financing not available to the average developer Pre sales are dead. Some projects are in receivership. New Projects are not going ahead

Did we read the same article? > A feature of the EHT is that it focuses on residential properties, not commercial spaces > [Due to] the shift to remote work during the pandemic, office vacancies remain stubbornly high in many cities. > With the combination of Vancouver’s EHT combined with the province’s SVT, the taxes are credited with reducing the residential vacancy rate to 0.49%

> the taxes are credited with reducing the residential vacancy rate to 0.49%

Isn't that really, really low and a driver of rent rises?

Re: West Coast Cities Turn to Vacancy Taxes to Grapple with Housing Crisis

#19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well whatever. Hand vacancy taxes to developers as straight cash incentives to build more. Bonus per unit completed or any other metric that isn't subject to gaming. The point is, make it cheaper to build.

I think you're misunderstanding the problem. Everyone wants to build more. Cities won't let them. It's often arbitrary and capricious.

I never said don't reform zoning or permitting. Allow building easily and charge a vacancy tax. Literally my first sentence in this thread was "Why not both?" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48262501

Re: West Coast Cities Turn to Vacancy Taxes to Grapple with Housing Crisis

#20
post #7

I can’t see it being a bad thing. The kind of landlord who is willing to keep a property vacant is not usually a struggling enterprise, unless we are talking about a completely hollowed out declining metropolitan area (which most west coast cities absolutely are not). In my city, one development in a highly desirable area basically demolished a historic building, built a new one with far more prime retail space inclu…

you think it's more profitable to not lease the spaces because "the management overhead of landlording"?

What do you think a "tax write off" is?

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