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Anthropic's "Profitability" Swindle

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Re: Anthropic's "Profitability" Swindle

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> Dario Amodei and Elon Musk worked out a sweetheart deal, which they - framed as a “ramp-up,” - that allowed Anthropic to artificially depress its costs. I also question how much of a ramp-up there really was, or what Anthropic’s actual compute constraints were, because it immediately loosened rate limits for Claude subscribers on announcing the deal, meaning that it immediately started having higher inference costs…

that feels like the opposite of "empathy" to me. why would i, a reader of better offline, care about a corporation "winning" something, whatever it is? he really is becoming more like idk bill o'reilly or rush limbaugh with every successive "successful" post to me. maybe they should hire him at the new infowars. if nothing else, he knows how to do pr

Re: Anthropic's "Profitability" Swindle

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post #8

This author is out of touch with how much people are spending on Claude tokens. People are spending tens of thousands of dollars per month on Claude tokens. For example, according to a leaked internal dashboard from Meta, employees used 60 trillion tokens in one month. The top user consumed 281 billion tokens in one month tokens, which cost approximately $1.4 million. With an enterprise discount, Meta probably paid $…

Meta also took on an additional $100B in debt recently to push AI and fired 4000 employees. The economics just don't add up at Meta, so they're a bad example.

Re: Anthropic's "Profitability" Swindle

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post #13
post #8

This author is out of touch with how much people are spending on Claude tokens. People are spending tens of thousands of dollars per month on Claude tokens. For example, according to a leaked internal dashboard from Meta, employees used 60 trillion tokens in one month. The top user consumed 281 billion tokens in one month tokens, which cost approximately $1.4 million. With an enterprise discount, Meta probably paid $…

Meta also took on an additional $100B in debt recently to push AI and fired 4000 employees. The economics just don't add up at Meta, so they're a bad example.

So what? Meta is still paying Anthropic hundreds of millions of dollars per month. The author of the submitted article is accusing Anthropic of fabricating its revenue numbers. The fact that Meta may make questionable financial choices has no bearing on the validity of Anthropic's revenue.

The author is doing everyone a disservice by not mentioning that Anthropic has power users spending 5 figures per month on their APIs, and other corporations spending 10s of millions per month on Claude code. Anthropic is swimming in revenue right now.

Re: Anthropic's "Profitability" Swindle

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There’s a pretty clear example of Zitron being dishonest here:

> I also severely doubt that Anthropic managed to make the cost of running its services profitable in the space of six months.

> [Per The Information in January], Anthropic missed on its gross margin projections, saying that its inference costs were 23% higher than the company had anticipated.

> How did Anthropic, which faced a massive influx of new business to the point that Anthropic was forced to buy more compute from Elon Musk, magically become profitable? Other than that discount, of course.

If you follow the link to The Information, you’ll see that it’s a paid article with the headline “Anthropic Lowers Gross Margin Projection as Revenue Skyrockets”. But what happens when you actually read the article?

> Anthropic last month projected it would generate a 40% gross profit margin from selling AI to businesses and application developers in 2025, according to two people with knowledge of its financials. That margin was 10 percentage points lower than its earlier optimistic expectations, though it’s still a big improvement from the year before.

https://archive.is/aKFYZ

So, according to Zitron’s own source, Anthropic are actually earning 40% gross profit margin on inference, and that is a dramatic jump upwards! This totally contradicts his position that it’s an implausible “swindle” for Anthropic to claim profitability. He’s counting on the fact that most of his readers don’t subscribe to The Information and will only see the headline, or that they will just see a citation and trust that it backs him up without checking.

Re: Anthropic's "Profitability" Swindle

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post #8

This author is out of touch with how much people are spending on Claude tokens. People are spending tens of thousands of dollars per month on Claude tokens. For example, according to a leaked internal dashboard from Meta, employees used 60 trillion tokens in one month. The top user consumed 281 billion tokens in one month tokens, which cost approximately $1.4 million. With an enterprise discount, Meta probably paid $…

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Re: Anthropic's "Profitability" Swindle

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meta also took on an additional $100B in debt recently to push AI and fired 4000 employees. The economics just don't add up at Meta, so they're a bad example.

So what? Meta is still paying Anthropic hundreds of millions of dollars per month. The author of the submitted article is accusing Anthropic of fabricating its revenue numbers. The fact that Meta may make questionable financial choices has no bearing on the validity of Anthropic's revenue. The author is doing everyone a disservice by not mentioning that Anthropic has power users spending 5 figures per month on their…

I don't think anyone is accusing revenues are manufactured, the article is even more straight forward it says it's built on hype and bringing profits forward and pushing opex and capex ahead.

I can be profitable trader in Q2 but lose my pants until the time the fiscal year is over.

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