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News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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I think its bound to happen and in some ways it a good thing to happen too. The current state of AI affairs is a lot about outrightly selling some one else's intellectual property. The short term incentives are eroding the trust and goodwill among the natural knowledge actors.

The next natural thing to happen would be privatization or consolidation of the internet itself. Its already happening in the form of grabbing and consolidating IPv4 addresses.

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Perhaps I imagined this, however some months ago on X someone pointed out a historical article on dailymail.co.uk related to Prince Phillip and Epstein had been scrubbed, which likely would be intelligence or through D-Notices, but where instead of showing a 404 page would redirect to an article that was similar but benign. I checked the URL on the Wayback Machine and it turned up zero results, but not even the redir…

This sounds like the beginning of a story where the next odd thing is your family and friends don’t know who you are, and know one has ever heard of you.

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Maybe they should allow the Internet Archive access to their article after a week or 2. But I think this will hurt them as time goes on more then help. IIRC, one news org blocked free access and their revenue fell. I think that was in Australia. But seems they are using AI as the reason. So allowing after a week will not avoid AI access. But, what happens of an AI Company subscribes to the news site using a person's…

That sounds like a good idea to me. One of the tests for Fair Use in the US, as I understand it, would be whether the archived work "competes" with the original. If people start going to IA instead to read the news, the newspaper might have a claim. But if they're doing it to get around paywalls, or purely for archival/historical/research purposes, that may be allowed. But the reality is such decisions are subjective…

In general judges seem to understand that the copyright holder has some interest in these situations but not seem to understand that the rest of the community has some rights too.

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Apologies for the self-promo. Downvote and I'll know not to do it again. This trend of outright banning the Internet Archive has me extremely worried. I fear a future where news articles are memoryholed, and no one can remember exactly what was reported and how sensational it all seemed. I've been working on this project [0] for a while. Originally, I started with a tool that would allow people to snapshot webpages i…

> It's definitely a copyright nightmare - so no clue how this could work.

It could work as a decentralized free and open source system that doesn't care about copyright. Like how torrents work now, but it would be good to have it work over Tor or something. Perhaps as a DAO for the management aspect of it. I don't know how exactly. But disregarding copyright by using a centralized company is the wrong idea.

Or you can do the lawful approach and try to work within the framework of that copyright nightmare. But "fuck copyright" is an easier path.

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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That's a real shame. I am involved with some history-related projects and the number of websites which go offline is huge, and the wayback machine is incredibly helpful for unearthing these dead sites.

It is not hard to imagine a future in 50 years time where a huge percentage of this content is lost forever, or at best incredibly hard to find.

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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post #5

Apologies for the self-promo. Downvote and I'll know not to do it again. This trend of outright banning the Internet Archive has me extremely worried. I fear a future where news articles are memoryholed, and no one can remember exactly what was reported and how sensational it all seemed. I've been working on this project [0] for a while. Originally, I started with a tool that would allow people to snapshot webpages i…

I really like this also reasonable priced.

Is there a way to export/download my saves in a reasonable way?

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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Ugh - our local paper used to have a wonderful archive, that got limited and locked down after the pandemic. IDK if they got bought out, but it's a real shame, I think some of the problem is things that used to be public information (birthdates, families, names) in hospital admissions (I found old entries of my friends parents and my own for being "in the hospital" in the newspaper for example).

I'm sure that plays a role, but still... This obviously is about cost and money making, not security as a whole (ime)

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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post #2

Maybe they should allow the Internet Archive access to their article after a week or 2. But I think this will hurt them as time goes on more then help. IIRC, one news org blocked free access and their revenue fell. I think that was in Australia. But seems they are using AI as the reason. So allowing after a week will not avoid AI access. But, what happens of an AI Company subscribes to the news site using a person's…

It may be easier to convince them if the Internet Archive doesn't allow access for . Not good for the average user now, but at least it would be archived for the future. Better than having no archive at all.

Yeah IA needs to get their heads out of their asses and just do that. It's an archive, but if it's available at the same time as it's relevant, then it's being used as alternate access.

Re: News outlets are limiting the Internet Archive’s access to their journalism

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post #5

Apologies for the self-promo. Downvote and I'll know not to do it again. This trend of outright banning the Internet Archive has me extremely worried. I fear a future where news articles are memoryholed, and no one can remember exactly what was reported and how sensational it all seemed. I've been working on this project [0] for a while. Originally, I started with a tool that would allow people to snapshot webpages i…

> It's definitely a copyright nightmare - so no clue how this could work. It could work as a decentralized free and open source system that doesn't care about copyright. Like how torrents work now, but it would be good to have it work over Tor or something. Perhaps as a DAO for the management aspect of it. I don't know how exactly. But disregarding copyright by using a centralized company is the wrong idea. Or you ca…

You - as a company - can just avoid any copyright stuff when your extension saves the stuff only on the client. I see there are many other issues then.

The torrent approach is nice. I could imagine a selfhosted way to store the data (for a group of people)

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