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Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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827a wrote: post #4
Aboutplants wrote: post #3

So scalpers will use bots to generate listens and shares, boosting listens for Spotify, in order to gain access to premium tickets. They are just adding a “barrier” that only inflates their listen counts while probably making it worse on actual valid ticket purchasers. I don’t see how this works out as planned

Spotify is actively incentivized to mitigate that, because they're forced to pay royalties on every stream. This is, at least, a better situation than with Ticketmaster, who is actively incentivized to get scalpers as many tickets as they can.

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Post by crooked-v »

joshl32532 wrote: post #10

This is the problem with public listed companies that need to "maximize shareholder values" and look for infinite growth. I just want Spotify for music (playlist, recommendation, lossless audio). I don't need their podcast, audiobook, ChatGPT, concert tickets etc. This just makes their app bloated for features I will never use.

It's the newest version of Zawinski's Law of Software Envelopment:

> Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.

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Post by dominotw »

joshl32532 wrote: post #10

This is the problem with public listed companies that need to "maximize shareholder values" and look for infinite growth. I just want Spotify for music (playlist, recommendation, lossless audio). I don't need their podcast, audiobook, ChatGPT, concert tickets etc. This just makes their app bloated for features I will never use.

music listening has been falling for a while now. no company public or not will choose to commit suicide out of purity principle

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Post by ZeWaka »

317070 wrote: post #9
827a wrote: post #5

For those against this: I'm curious to hear your take on how you'd stop/mitigate scalping.

Named tickets, like airplane seats? Sorry, I only thought about this for 5 seconds, but there are markets where scalping doesn't cause issues. We could look at those.

Still have the issue of transferring tickets to friends or such if you can't make it. Axios and some providers handle this.

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Post by alt227 »

317070 wrote: post #9
827a wrote: post #5

For those against this: I'm curious to hear your take on how you'd stop/mitigate scalping.

Named tickets, like airplane seats? Sorry, I only thought about this for 5 seconds, but there are markets where scalping doesn't cause issues. We could look at those.

This is the answer, Ive seen it in practice. You just have to show id at the door when your ticket/QR gets scanned as normal, and the names have to match. Obviously only works for over 18 events though, unless you purposely sell under and over 18 tickets seperately.

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Post by KingFelix »

badgersnake wrote: post #7
827a wrote: post #5

For those against this: I'm curious to hear your take on how you'd stop/mitigate scalping.

Make it illegal to sell tickets above face value.

I was a big fan of what the Cure did, they played our town and they did not allow any tickets to be resold for anything above what they originally went for.

Non-transferable I think? But you could resell them via ticketmaster maybe for facevalue?

It was amazing, we sat on the ticketmaster page, refreshed over the course of a day and we got 8th row for I believe $75 - it was an amazing concert, and being able to pay a reasonable price for tickets like that was amazing.

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Post by alt227 »

ZeWaka wrote: post #14
317070 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Named tickets, like airplane seats? Sorry, I only thought about this for 5 seconds, but there are markets where scalping doesn't cause issues. We could look at those.

Still have the issue of transferring tickets to friends or such if you can't make it. Axios and some providers handle this.

Would need to provide a decent refund system alongside named tickets, offering quick and easy refunds for maybe 10% cancellation fee.

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Post by electronsoup »

joshl32532 wrote: post #10

This is the problem with public listed companies that need to "maximize shareholder values" and look for infinite growth. I just want Spotify for music (playlist, recommendation, lossless audio). I don't need their podcast, audiobook, ChatGPT, concert tickets etc. This just makes their app bloated for features I will never use.

You may need to move on to other services like Apple Music

Re: Spotify will start reserving concert tickets for fans

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Post by dangus »

827a wrote: post #5

For those against this: I'm curious to hear your take on how you'd stop/mitigate scalping.

I’m against it from these angles:

1. I like live concerts but I don’t spend my days listening to a lot of music. I would be considered “not a fan” by these metrics.

2 The monopolistic aspect. I subscribe to a much smaller Spotify competitor, now I’m at a disadvantage.

3. I don’t consider scalping a problem. The market price is determined by demand. It’s also been a problem that has been solved by artist presales and fan club gates.

I also think that as a recognized monopoly Ticketmaster should have more limitations on its business model. For example, their compassion on resale tickets should be limited. At present, they are encouraged to double dip on fees by finding ways to send more tickets to the secondary market.

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