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560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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There are multiple comprehensive umbrella reviews on the subject. Synthesis of knowledge synthesis. Tens of thousands of study subjects over decades and decades.

15 MET hours above 3 METs gain 70% of the possible benefits from cardio.

Not exactly contradictory results, but it makes this sound like bullshit.

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

#12
Important point is that study was done on participants with average age of 57. And by "substantial" benefit they mean reduction in cardiovascular events by 30% compared to around 10% for people who do 150 minutes of exercise a week.

I wonder if healthy diet also plays role in the outcome.

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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> Those adults who met the 150 minute a week guideline on exercise experienced a modest 8-9% reduction in cardiovascular risk, the study found. This was consistent across all levels of fitness.

> In order to achieve substantial protection, classed as a greater than 30% risk reduction, between 560 and 610 minutes of moderate to vigorous exercise a week was needed.

So 30 minutes a day is still good, but more is better. Seems reasonable.

Also exercise doesn't mean planned / scheduled exercise, like going to the gym. Daily activities can count, like cycling to the train station for example. Which gets to one of my favorite hobby horses: increasing exercise at the population level is an urban design problem.

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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At this rate you get more lifespan not exercising. 10h a week out of your waking time is about 9%. No way your heart health gonna give you that much.

Lifespan != healthspan

I don't know... If you're actually exercising an hour and a half each day, every day, you're going to be incurring some pretty regular exercise related injuries and degeneration. Your heart might like all that running, but your knees are going to make you regret it.

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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That's like 90 minutes of exercise a day if you take zero rest days... Not happening for most people. I think even marathon training requires less than 90 minutes a day on average.

Moderate is not vigorous. They mean being active and walking, etc.

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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> Those adults who met the 150 minute a week guideline on exercise experienced a modest 8-9% reduction in cardiovascular risk, the study found. This was consistent across all levels of fitness. > In order to achieve substantial protection, classed as a greater than 30% risk reduction, between 560 and 610 minutes of moderate to vigorous exercise a week was needed. So 30 minutes a day is still good, but more is better.…

Urban design can help, but only for those who actually want to take the 'hard' route. Most people I know would rather take a subway or call an uber for anything above 20 minutes of walking (which makes me sad).

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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> Those adults who met the 150 minute a week guideline on exercise experienced a modest 8-9% reduction in cardiovascular risk 30%+ reduction from 10 hours a week of exercise sounds ideal, but 9% isn't nothing.

> 10 hours a week of exercise

Honestly, only a hypochondriac or a narcissist would consider 10h/w acceptable. Everyone is too busy trying to stay alive.

The number only makes sense if you're a body-builder or an influencer who trades on appearance.

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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I'm not convinced.

I may be misunderstanding how the study was conducted, but it sounds like a more reasonable conclusion to draw from the study is that those who tend to have better health outcomes and longer healthspans/lifespans are the ones who also are willing to prioritize their health and physical fitness and are willing to spend this much time on exercise.

The average age of participants in the study was 57, so you're already narrowing in on a very specific and pretty narrow subset of the population when you're looking at seniors who are also spending 10 hours a week on exercise.

While 560-610 minutes of moderate to vigorous physical activity certainly helps, I'd think these are individuals who are generally abstaining from smoking, will try to eat healthy at least moderately often, stay away from overconsumption of fast food or alcohol, etc.

Basically, it sounds like there is a degree of correlation here between habits and outcomes that is being conflated with causation.

Re: 560-610 minutes of exercise a week needed for substantial heart benefits

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> Those adults who met the 150 minute a week guideline on exercise experienced a modest 8-9% reduction in cardiovascular risk 30%+ reduction from 10 hours a week of exercise sounds ideal, but 9% isn't nothing.

Luckily because of the AI we'll all be able to do more in less time, so those 10 hours will be easy to find.

Jokes aside, 10 hours a week is quite something. Good that they mention that 2-3 hours is also already beneficial.

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