I’m genuinely confused as to why the speakers are baffled by the boos. Everyone, and especially new grads constantly hear that AI is going to replace every job. And absolutely no one seems to be interested in answering the question of “okay, then what?” Of course people are going to react negatively when they hear, “the machines are going to take your jobs from you. No, we don’t care how you’ll be able to pay your re…
The executive class is out of touch with normal society.
Graduates are booing pep talks on AI at college commencements
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#13College students are cooked for entry level work. I'm guessing there will soon be a government mandate requiring some percentage of NCGs to be hired, similar to India and other countries with huge cohorts.
Yep. I was looking for jobs the other day (because the market as a whole is kinda cooked), and one fairly small company had a half-dozen openings for Staff level engineers, and nothing else. If I'm having this much trouble with staff level experience, I can't imagine how new grads are doing.
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There are a lot of differences in what is allowed in a post-secondary education setting that are the diametric opposite in the working world. You are in an education setting to learn HOW things work and how to think critically. In the workplace, you are doing work w/whatever tools you have at your disposal to get it done fast and well. You aren't supposed to use a search engine or a reference manual to find the answe…
A few high-level differences:
- There has never been a time in my entire working career -- ever, where I could not reference something or look it up. What matters is that I know the concepts; I'm _always_ allowed (in fact, encouraged) to double check and reference my facts.
- If I dislike a topic in front of me, I can expend effort and do something else. For instance, one my first "real" jobs was working in the Apple store. You could either do repairs or take in broken computers. One role was critical thinking, the other was customer service. If you were an excellent tech, they would make you do the customer service bit far less often. But you can't get out of writing English essays in school by excelling in mathematics.
- In school you receive instruction for a long period of time and then are asked to recall and analyze what you've learned. But, there is no real recursive mechanism for learning your craft; if you need to take apart a macbook 5-10 times a day, you'll develop real expertise. And there will really be no penalty to being initially poor at the task. Nothing in school really works this way; you never approach any topic in depth, and you don't get real practice -- you just get a test which is a distance enough behavioral reward mechanism that it cannot really reinforce the neural pathways.
I understand that this is a bit oblique to LLMs, but I think LLMS map the same way. Do I need to know how to write a python script? Not really ... the LLM just does it for me. And the job only cares that it works, they really don't care that the work is elegant. I understand _why_ you would want kids to really learn the process -- this is a special time in their life where time and energy is set aside just for learning. But, the lessons they see from the real world really do clash with the ideals pushed and hoped for by teachers and administrators. When they get a job, they can actually just let the LLM do a bunch of the work.Re: Graduates are booing pep talks on AI at college commencements
#15Those kids are crazy. We're finally close to realizing the dream of making labor obsolete, how could they not be excited and enthusiastic about the future? Most of them will no longer needed, and thankfully those that are still needed can be paid more reasonable wages (i.e. lower ones). It's a win-win for everyone. The lower prices enabled by automation allow them to stretch their savings or inheritance further befor…
Who's gonna buy the products and services provided by automated labor? What will prevent a hyperinflation, making savings evaporate? Or do you further envision a mass genocide of the poor to go along with this?
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#16I’m genuinely confused as to why the speakers are baffled by the boos. Everyone, and especially new grads constantly hear that AI is going to replace every job. And absolutely no one seems to be interested in answering the question of “okay, then what?” Of course people are going to react negatively when they hear, “the machines are going to take your jobs from you. No, we don’t care how you’ll be able to pay your re…
Whenever I try to get serious answers to this question I get far-future projections about how much better people’s lives will be in the aggregate, at some point in the future, on the assumption that their baseless, faith-based projections about AI materialize.
They literally do not care if their own neighbors starve, or become homeless, or lose any ability to plan their own lives more than a few days in advance.
This is the predictable result of the deep inculcation of spreadsheet-based “utilitarianism,” frequently paired with heavy drug use and paranoia-inducing science fiction horror stories, that certain communities of Bay Area tech workers were exposed to (inducted into, groomed into, whatever word you want to use) in the last decade or so.
This toxic soup taught many people that individual lives literally do not matter when weighed against the importance of creating AGI. This set of beliefs already has a body count, and it will grow before this train crashes.
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#17There is nothing about AI that seems like it's going to have a net positive for humanity. Faster code? Sure. Better chatbots? Sure. Textual analysis? Sure. But the downside, and it's huge, is massive unemployment and societal collapse. Nothing AI brings to the table is worth having an unemployment rate of 25% (or more). Our society is simply not ready for this. We need to rework things from the ground up, not proceed…
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#18Those kids are crazy. We're finally close to realizing the dream of making labor obsolete, how could they not be excited and enthusiastic about the future? Most of them will no longer needed, and thankfully those that are still needed can be paid more reasonable wages (i.e. lower ones). It's a win-win for everyone. The lower prices enabled by automation allow them to stretch their savings or inheritance further befor…
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#19I’m genuinely confused as to why the speakers are baffled by the boos. Everyone, and especially new grads constantly hear that AI is going to replace every job. And absolutely no one seems to be interested in answering the question of “okay, then what?” Of course people are going to react negatively when they hear, “the machines are going to take your jobs from you. No, we don’t care how you’ll be able to pay your re…
Or better yet, reflected on their world view and the reception.
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#20To anyone with a brain, that is obviously not true.
If AI continues to improve at the pace that it has been, why would anyone hire a human to do the thinking? Human intelligence will be orders of magnitude more expensive, and much slower...
The tech executives know this and they actually just do not care. The reason they are saying it will drive job creation is just to temporarily keep worker anxiety levels to a minimum.
To be clear, I am not claiming that all human work will be automated away soon. Just that a huge portion of it will be.