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US bill proposes new national EV tax, while some push to slash gas tax to zero

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Re: US bill proposes new national EV tax, while some push to slash gas tax to zero

#11

Gas tax is politically toxic. But maybe an excise tax on oil profits? (If you could come up with a Constitutional way to tax only energy exports, that would be better still.)

> If you could come up with a Constitutional way to tax only energy exports, that would be better still.

The only constitutional issue with taxing energy exports is gettin Congress to pass the law and POTUS to sign it.

Re: US bill proposes new national EV tax, while some push to slash gas tax to zero

#13
Zeroing out the gas tax aside, the EV tax makes _some_ sense.

Gas taxes provide the revenue that help pay for road maintenance and the rest of the infrastructure that cars use. Gas taxes made sense -- the more you drive, the more you chip in to keep the road system going.

That infrastructure still needs to exist, and will still cost money to maintain -- but if fewer people are buying gas, then the funds will dry up, even as usage stays relatively the same.

Re: US bill proposes new national EV tax, while some push to slash gas tax to zero

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A deeply unserious country. What else can you say?

That Duffy sent this letter to the governors: https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/memorandum/Freedom_to_Drive_Initiat... Asking them to maximise roadway capacity (that’s to say just one more lane bro) in order to solve congestion, at the explicit request to have other modes of transport minimised. “recover roadway capacity from other purposes to support driving” because that’ll solve congestion. Deeply, deeply unserious.

So to recap: we should pave the earth for gas cars, tax EVs into oblivion for the damage they do, and call it "freedom."

Re: US bill proposes new national EV tax, while some push to slash gas tax to zero

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A deeply unserious country. What else can you say?

That Duffy sent this letter to the governors: https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/memorandum/Freedom_to_Drive_Initiat... Asking them to maximise roadway capacity (that’s to say just one more lane bro) in order to solve congestion, at the explicit request to have other modes of transport minimised. “recover roadway capacity from other purposes to support driving” because that’ll solve congestion. Deeply, deeply unserious.

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Re: US bill proposes new national EV tax, while some push to slash gas tax to zero

#16

Gas tax is politically toxic. But maybe an excise tax on oil profits? (If you could come up with a Constitutional way to tax only energy exports, that would be better still.)

The electorate is not so stupid that "it turns out people really don't want what I'm peddling so I'm just gonna reframe it and those idiots will be none the wiser" is likely to work. Nevermind the fact that by moving it from gas to oil companies you're also then taxing "energy" more generally and it's gonna show up across the entire economy.

>The electorate is not so stupid..

Respectfully, they are.

Re: US bill proposes new national EV tax, while some push to slash gas tax to zero

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I'm getting really tired of every single attempt to be taxed into oblivion. Just leave me the hell alone

You would pay little to no taxes if you completely removed yourself from society and lived deep in the wilderness, but I but you aren't going to do that. I wonder why that is?

Re: US bill proposes new national EV tax, while some push to slash gas tax to zero

#18

Zeroing out the gas tax aside, the EV tax makes _some_ sense. Gas taxes provide the revenue that help pay for road maintenance and the rest of the infrastructure that cars use. Gas taxes made sense -- the more you drive, the more you chip in to keep the road system going. That infrastructure still needs to exist, and will still cost money to maintain -- but if fewer people are buying gas, then the funds will dry up,…

States already charge EV registration fees for lost gas tax revenue.

Re: US bill proposes new national EV tax, while some push to slash gas tax to zero

#19
It's difficult to take articles like this seriously when they use hyperbole like "...the most evil industry the planet has ever seen [oil]", never mind things like chattel slavery.

I don't own an EV and am sympathetic to the idea that other road users are far more damaging and thus should pay more, however, I would much prefer a flat tax over some insidious Federal tracking device that monitors how much I drive.

Re: US bill proposes new national EV tax, while some push to slash gas tax to zero

#20

Zeroing out the gas tax aside, the EV tax makes _some_ sense. Gas taxes provide the revenue that help pay for road maintenance and the rest of the infrastructure that cars use. Gas taxes made sense -- the more you drive, the more you chip in to keep the road system going. That infrastructure still needs to exist, and will still cost money to maintain -- but if fewer people are buying gas, then the funds will dry up,…

Are EVs that widespread in the US already that you're at the stage where you need to move from incentivising EV purchases to normalising their taxation?
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