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Germany goes from labour shortages to hiring freezes

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Re: Germany goes from labour shortages to hiring freezes

#11

There was never a labor shortage, just a shortage of pay from unscrupulous employers being addicted to cheap labor.

Luckily they’ve brought in plenty of people eager to sacrifice short term being exploited for long term exploiting others.

And who are these people?

Re: Germany goes from labour shortages to hiring freezes

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post #9

The article is low quality. It talks a bit about the problem, not about the cause and it does not help anyone. The example at the beginning seems to be a now classic "I have a degree in an area where supply greatly exceeds demand". There is demand, there is supply, but there is a misalignment of qualifications and interests. If "well-qualified people" means fresh graduates in domains with low demand, then the qualifi…

I come from Eastern Europe. Teachers used to tell us that we had to go to university if we wanted to have an easier life later on.

Re: Germany goes from labour shortages to hiring freezes

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post #9

The article is low quality. It talks a bit about the problem, not about the cause and it does not help anyone. The example at the beginning seems to be a now classic "I have a degree in an area where supply greatly exceeds demand". There is demand, there is supply, but there is a misalignment of qualifications and interests. If "well-qualified people" means fresh graduates in domains with low demand, then the qualifi…

> Too many people go to universities for a degree without checking if there is demand for these degree.

I agree for certain fields such as your example but until recently software engineers were in disproportional demand and that has changed pretty dramatically in less time than one would need to get a degree in the field.

Edit: And the example of people working in construction: I know a few. Their companies are booked out for the next 2 years. They, however have shitty pay and disproportionately many work-caused health problems. The owners of those companies are having a good time though.

Re: Germany goes from labour shortages to hiring freezes

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post #9

The article is low quality. It talks a bit about the problem, not about the cause and it does not help anyone. The example at the beginning seems to be a now classic "I have a degree in an area where supply greatly exceeds demand". There is demand, there is supply, but there is a misalignment of qualifications and interests. If "well-qualified people" means fresh graduates in domains with low demand, then the qualifi…

>There are jobs, but not the ones most people want.

There is no such thing as a shortage in labor markets. There is just people not willing to pay the correct price.

Re: Germany goes from labour shortages to hiring freezes

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post #9

The article is low quality. It talks a bit about the problem, not about the cause and it does not help anyone. The example at the beginning seems to be a now classic "I have a degree in an area where supply greatly exceeds demand". There is demand, there is supply, but there is a misalignment of qualifications and interests. If "well-qualified people" means fresh graduates in domains with low demand, then the qualifi…

I dunno man, people are complaining about not being able to secure a vocational training position, especially as a foreigner. Maybe a bit of diversity and equality could help

Re: Germany goes from labour shortages to hiring freezes

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post #9

The article is low quality. It talks a bit about the problem, not about the cause and it does not help anyone. The example at the beginning seems to be a now classic "I have a degree in an area where supply greatly exceeds demand". There is demand, there is supply, but there is a misalignment of qualifications and interests. If "well-qualified people" means fresh graduates in domains with low demand, then the qualifi…

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Re: Germany goes from labour shortages to hiring freezes

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post #3

Jokes on FT, we have both

I am not so sure we really have or had both. Maybe for roles like electrician and tiler and such. But for roles like teachers, I feel it is not the case, or policy makers are extremely stupid here. The hurdles for someone to become a teacher without having studied that are still very high. It doesn't seem like policies a nation would implement, if they really wanted more teachers. For example you need to have 500h of base level pedagogy training (which would be OK) and of course you need to be very knowledgeable in the subject you want to teach (also makes sense), but that's not enough, no, they want, that usually after 3 years you teach 2 subjects, not only the one you are knowledgeable in. So you are expected to either have sufficient knowledge (lectures at university count towards that, but may well not be sufficient) in a second subject, or to somehow catch up on that.

In my case, I did consider becoming a teacher for IT stuff. Not really "IT", as pupils would first learn the basics of course, and the really interesting stuff might not even fit into the curriculum, but I could well imagine teaching what I know and maybe even establishing an extracurricular computer programming club or something. I would feel great passing on my knowledge. But what second subject to teach? ... The only other applicable thing I had in some amount during my studies is ... math. Ugh. You telling me I might have to take additional math lectures, with people who study to become math teachers?! No friggin way man. Also am not a native English speaker, and while I use English every day all day long, I don't think I have the detailed knowledge to teach it responsibly to students, unless they are total beginners, but I won't be teaching IT stuff in primary school, now will I.

If you stick to only one subject, perhaps they will tolerate you, but your salary will forever be a reduced one, even if you work the same hours, just because you only do one subject, and no matter how much of an expert you are.

When it comes to IT/software engineering I don't think there ever was a shortage. Just businesses, implementing big tech hiring processes for their tiny startups and then playing surprised pikachu, that they are "not finding talent".

Re: Germany goes from labour shortages to hiring freezes

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post #6

Creating an ever-larger union makes goods cheap(er) by moving jobs out of expensive markets. Surprised?

Germany went from labour shortage to hiring freezes in like two to three years. This has nothing to do with unions, which have been on a long downward slope for decades. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1356608/trade-unions-ger...

Stop watching Fox News.

Re: Germany goes from labour shortages to hiring freezes

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post #9

The article is low quality. It talks a bit about the problem, not about the cause and it does not help anyone. The example at the beginning seems to be a now classic "I have a degree in an area where supply greatly exceeds demand". There is demand, there is supply, but there is a misalignment of qualifications and interests. If "well-qualified people" means fresh graduates in domains with low demand, then the qualifi…

And what happens with high demand and low supply?

Strangely the wages don’t rise as one would expect.

And companies are picky, they want a perfect fit for their position including the work processes and programs.

Delusional.

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