America innovates, China replicates, Europe regulates.
Always the same ridiculous statement.
I, too, cannot wait when it finally stops being true, so people can stop saying it.
Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
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Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#12Deepseek is open source. Whats stopping them from distilling it and releasing their own model today? Where is the reliance on America? Gpus?
Deepseek is open in the sense that you can run V3 or V4 it is not open in the sense that you have all the tools a Chinese company has to make the V5 that will be needed to keep up with the US.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#13Unfortunately Europe is already far behind. OpenAI started over a decade ago. How can Europe catch up? Maybe if progress slows down and they have time to at least get into the same position as Chinese models, but they also need to invest in it. But with what money? And why would talented people stay there instead of going to America where they can get a fairer share of their hard earned money? There’s so much more to…
The most telling part is when he explains that in order to grant stock options he had to navigate each and every single different legal setup for each one of the member states.
I felt for a while the "European Union" has been turned into a foil for nations that had absolutely no intention to really integrate. Unless actual integration, simple one rule for all on the continent, happens within the next handfuls of months, then this ship's going down and I organize to exit stage left, Trump ain't Xi.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#14>>>> In a world where you import all your digital services from the United States, you have no leverage over the United States It's a bit deeper than that. If AI becomes as ubiquitous as imagined, which it seems it will, it's not just a "digital service". It's a primary utility - like electricity, water or highways. Because without it your productivity will plummet. We aren't there yet - we will be there in a few yea…
Comparing AI to resources it highly depends on is a bit far fetched.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#15> and a challenger to OpenAI
Big claim. Apart from Mistral OCR, I didn't find any of their models remotely useful.
They do have a chance to become sole AI provider for France as French are trying to break from US tech, not because their product is useful.
Sounds like a cry to raise more money, which is inline with their initial pitch [0]
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#16Only mistral could re rerelease deepseeks model and do a worse job.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Always the same ridiculous statement.
I, too, cannot wait when it finally stops being true, so people can stop saying it.
Americans are just as regulated and with even more egregious regulatory capture (see the American broadband/mobile provider cartel). At least Europeans get a little consumer protection.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#18Typical EU response. Seems Europeans have stumbled to 2nd or 3rd place in the A I race, if even that.
2nd would be China imho...so 3rd at best
If you include the UK and Switzerland in Europe then Europe is clearly doing ahead of China.
The 1st and 3rd AI nations in Europe are not in the EU though, so if you restrict it to just the EU it falls well behind china
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#19Deepseek is open source. Whats stopping them from distilling it and releasing their own model today? Where is the reliance on America? Gpus?
the problem is not the model, but the infrastructure needed to run the model. so yeah, gpus, cpus, network, etc etc
Power is 2-3x as expensive in Europe than American. They're toast.
Re: Mistral's CEO: Europe has 2 years to stop becoming America's AI 'vassal state'
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I, too, cannot wait when it finally stops being true, so people can stop saying it.
Americans are just as regulated and with even more egregious regulatory capture (see the American broadband/mobile provider cartel). At least Europeans get a little consumer protection.
You need a doctor's note to buy contact lens solution in Holland.
The level of regulation isn't close.