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The AI zombification of universities

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Re: The AI zombification of universities

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Post by chasd00 »

djeastm wrote: post #9
paulpauper wrote: post #6

Universities will still act as gatekeepers of prestige and status. There is no AI alternative to the top-20 schools...I remember all the hype from 10-15 years ago about how online learning and "MIT courseware" would upend the universities or threaten credentialism, and nothing even close to that happened. As it turned out, the online version of MIT is not a substitute for the actual thing. Schools will adapt, as they…

> by weighing grading more towards in-class quizzes and tests The piece discusses blue book tests where students were still cheating with their phones providing AI responses

that's a proctoring problem though, no phones during a test is typical to say the least.

Re: The AI zombification of universities

#12

Post by jsoaoxhd »

0xkvyb wrote: post #5

I think that universities just have to adapt to deal with slop, or think of new ways to challenge people to learn the essence of their studies. I wouldn’t want to be a uni teacher in these times though.

The solution is obvious. Teaching must be no-tech—just go back to 1950s.

The other problem of course is attention span due to social-media erosion.

The big tech has really done a number on society already and they’re just getting started.

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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Post by 0xkvyb »

jsoaoxhd wrote: post #12
0xkvyb wrote: post #5

I think that universities just have to adapt to deal with slop, or think of new ways to challenge people to learn the essence of their studies. I wouldn’t want to be a uni teacher in these times though.

The solution is obvious. Teaching must be no-tech—just go back to 1950s. The other problem of course is attention span due to social-media erosion. The big tech has really done a number on society already and they’re just getting started.

but how would you do that? what about homework and coursework? students will just transcribe claude slop on paper and submit that.

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

0xkvyb wrote: post #5

I think that universities just have to adapt to deal with slop, or think of new ways to challenge people to learn the essence of their studies. I wouldn’t want to be a uni teacher in these times though.

More in class, in discussion, and less "assignments"

Unfortunately that's way more expensive to do.

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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Post by djeastm »

chasd00 wrote: post #11
djeastm wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> by weighing grading more towards in-class quizzes and tests The piece discusses blue book tests where students were still cheating with their phones providing AI responses

that's a proctoring problem though, no phones during a test is typical to say the least.

And yet a Top 10 school like University of Chicago has apparently not been able to fix that problem.

That's telling in and of itself.

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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Post by jnovek »

0xkvyb wrote: post #14
jsoaoxhd wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution is obvious. Teaching must be no-tech—just go back to 1950s. The other problem of course is attention span due to social-media erosion. The big tech has really done a number on society already and they’re just getting started.

but how would you do that? what about homework and coursework? students will just transcribe claude slop on paper and submit that.

Requiring them to write it in longhand at least removes the instant gratification. I think that will work for some students.

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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Post by jsoaoxhd »

0xkvyb wrote: post #14
jsoaoxhd wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution is obvious. Teaching must be no-tech—just go back to 1950s. The other problem of course is attention span due to social-media erosion. The big tech has really done a number on society already and they’re just getting started.

but how would you do that? what about homework and coursework? students will just transcribe claude slop on paper and submit that.

I dunno think outside the box.

One option… They can do homework just test them every week in class. Homework doesn’t count for grade anymore. But test questions based upon homework.

Another… kids do reading at home in textbook, then work together in class to finish. Adjust hours accordingly.

There’s a very interesting problem space here though, to “disrupt” education by going back in time and applying a modern spin on education.

Re: The AI zombification of universities

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Post by harshalizee »

0xkvyb wrote: post #14
jsoaoxhd wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution is obvious. Teaching must be no-tech—just go back to 1950s. The other problem of course is attention span due to social-media erosion. The big tech has really done a number on society already and they’re just getting started.

but how would you do that? what about homework and coursework? students will just transcribe claude slop on paper and submit that.

Assignments, sure. But if tests/exams are proctored in-person with pen and paper, the students may quickly pivot to traditional learning methods if they want to pass their courses.
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