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50K Tahoe residents need power as utility eyes redirecting lines to data centers

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Re: 50K Tahoe residents need power as utility eyes redirecting lines to data centers

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That is not 100% true though. In Burbank, CA the power is city owned. https://www.burbankwaterandpower.com/

A somewhat more prominent example of this model would be Los Angeles Department of Water and Power.

Does prominence really matter when providing supporting evidence to contradictory statement?

Re: 50K Tahoe residents need power as utility eyes redirecting lines to data centers

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It's weird to read an article about how AI is ruining Lake Tahoe, with a map illustrating the problem, when the map itself has the world's most generic "100% generated by Claude" UI ever. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the article using the Claude map. It's just deeply funny somehow.

"Breaking: Smartphone producers known to rely on slave labor keep doing it. Posted from my iPhone"

Re: 50K Tahoe residents need power as utility eyes redirecting lines to data centers

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This is an interesting problem. I have been wanting to dig deeper on some of the complaints around water and power. This one is unique though.

Doesn’t read much like a problem so much with data center growth as it does with Liberty mismanaging their business/assets. For almost 20 years liberty acted as nothing more than a transmission operator with very weak agreements on power generation. They should have been figuring out this problem long ago.

Re: 50K Tahoe residents need power as utility eyes redirecting lines to data centers

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This is like the movie Chinatown, where people were fighting over water, but now it's all about electricity.

It sounds like Lake Tahoe residents kicked the can down the road and didn't care about electricity for so long that now they have to pay the piper. I think it's entire just that they have to bear the costs of their own electricity.

Re: 50K Tahoe residents need power as utility eyes redirecting lines to data centers

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This is like the movie Chinatown, where people were fighting over water, but now it's all about electricity. It sounds like Lake Tahoe residents kicked the can down the road and didn't care about electricity for so long that now they have to pay the piper. I think it's entire just that they have to bear the costs of their own electricity.

That’s how I read it too. Liberty alongside constituents had 20 years to figure it out.

Data centers are just the new shock titles that people eat up.

Re: 50K Tahoe residents need power as utility eyes redirecting lines to data centers

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just as a thought experiment, say you're an entrepreneur, how would you solve this problem?

whether it AI, Data Centers, EVs...I'm seeing this problem more and more, we need more energy/power. I'm curious to see what others think are possible viable solutions.

Re: 50K Tahoe residents need power as utility eyes redirecting lines to data centers

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It's weird to read an article about how AI is ruining Lake Tahoe, with a map illustrating the problem, when the map itself has the world's most generic "100% generated by Claude" UI ever. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the article using the Claude map. It's just deeply funny somehow.

My read is

People complain about AI in public, use it heavily in private, complain about datacenters in public, slam their fists about usage limits in private.

In short, typical human behavior, want to have their cake and eat it too.

Re: 50K Tahoe residents need power as utility eyes redirecting lines to data centers

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In the US, power is a public utility. And regulated as such. The providers can be private though and depends a lot on the location. Personally, I wouldn’t trust my city or county to operate a power plant and transmission lines. I’m happy that power is regulated by my state as a natural monopoly.

That is not 100% true though. In Burbank, CA the power is city owned. https://www.burbankwaterandpower.com/

In the bay area, Santa Clara has city owned power, and residents pay something like a third of what the rest of the bay area does per kilowatt hour.

Part of the inspiration for why SF is trying to kick out PGE and have municipal power.

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