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Maryland citizens hit with $2B power grid upgrade for out-of-state AI

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Re: Maryland citizens hit with $2B power grid upgrade for out-of-state AI

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> most people were complaining about lack of infrastructure spending before AI

Presumably they'd like the infrastructure spending to go to infrastructure that improves their lives in some way. I somehow doubt that, when complaining, the vast majority of said people had in mind "let's spend hundreds of billions of dollars on datacenters while everything else crumbles".

Re: Maryland citizens hit with $2B power grid upgrade for out-of-state AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

because as part of their legal monopolies they are only allowed to charge a "reasonable" usage fee. ETA: utility companies make profit on capex, not opex

Only allowed to charge “reasonable” usage fee means no other non-usage fee allowed or it is purposely designed to allow other kinds of fees?

https://www.nrdc.org/bio/jc-kibbey/utility-accountability-10... To be clear this only about some utility companies.

Re: Maryland citizens hit with $2B power grid upgrade for out-of-state AI

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Yeah, turns out people want things that benefit them and not things that exclusively benefit the billionaires who control AI.

I complain about not enough direct flights from my local airport, if they put in a bunch of direct flights for billionaires only I would complain even harder.

Re: Maryland citizens hit with $2B power grid upgrade for out-of-state AI

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I am curious how electricity is priced. Why are more and more utility providers charge based on ‘infrastructure cost’ or ‘fixed platform fee’ instead of usage fee?

because as part of their legal monopolies they are only allowed to charge a "reasonable" usage fee. ETA: utility companies make profit on capex, not opex

That's mostly incorrect. In Maryland, like in most places in the country, the distribution infrastructure is controlled by regulated monopolies that buy power on the market from generators. Your bills separate out the fees for usage and the fees for distribution, and the Maryland PSC has to approve both.

Re: Maryland citizens hit with $2B power grid upgrade for out-of-state AI

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We've been here before [1]. In that case, extra load on the grid meant the municipality needed to purchase more power (at higher prices), which raised everybody's prices.

Electricity supply is highly regulated. Prices for electricity are constrained and often set by state regulators. These are so-called "usage fees". But beyond that the utility is allowed to charge customers for infrastructure and transmissio and those fees are out of control. We recently had a court case where a North Carolina utility illegally overcharged customers but the judge didn't assign damages because legally the utility could just charge customers for those damages [2]. And the legislature passed laws to protect the utility as well.

This is going to get worse too because private equity is rapidly moving into this market and they know that capex can be entirely pushed onto customers with no recourse.

So the data centers tend to get sweetheart deals on electricity too. So while the total cost of electricity has gone up (per Mwh), they pay less pushing even more burden onto everyone else. Plus they get discounts on property taxes, energy tariffs and other taxes, as in the case of Kevin O'Leary's mega-DC in Utah.

But this state interconnect bill is another level of evil because it's pushing the costs onto states that have nothing to do with the data center and won't get any "benefit" (there is no benefit) anyway.

What we need are laws that make these projects pay for their own infrastructure. This might cause them to build near power sources. Great. Away from people, mostly.

The level of regulatory corruption here is actually sickening. Take Elon's Grok DC in Memphis that exploits local laws against clean air by using "mobile" gas turbines in the city of Memphis.

[1]: https://newsroom.haas.berkeley.edu/research/power-hungry-cry...

[2]: https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/local/no-refunds-for-duke-...

Re: Maryland citizens hit with $2B power grid upgrade for out-of-state AI

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I am curious how electricity is priced. Why are more and more utility providers charge based on ‘infrastructure cost’ or ‘fixed platform fee’ instead of usage fee?

Here's some very recent writing that will help you understand what's happening:

https://www.organizedmoney.fm/p/how-private-equity-is-drivin...

https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/data-centers-arent-the-ma...

Re: Maryland citizens hit with $2B power grid upgrade for out-of-state AI

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I am curious how electricity is priced. Why are more and more utility providers charge based on ‘infrastructure cost’ or ‘fixed platform fee’ instead of usage fee?

Here's some very recent writing that will help you understand what's happening: https://www.organizedmoney.fm/p/how-private-equity-is-drivin... https://www.thebignewsletter.com/p/data-centers-arent-the-ma...

Kind of stuff that can radicalize a young family struggling to make ends meet...

Re: Maryland citizens hit with $2B power grid upgrade for out-of-state AI

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I am curious how electricity is priced. Why are more and more utility providers charge based on ‘infrastructure cost’ or ‘fixed platform fee’ instead of usage fee?

because as part of their legal monopolies they are only allowed to charge a "reasonable" usage fee. ETA: utility companies make profit on capex, not opex

Perhaps utilities should be state owned where any profits are used to offset the tax load on the citizens..
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