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Linux gaming is faster because Windows APIs are becoming Linux kernel features

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Re: Linux gaming is faster because Windows APIs are becoming Linux kernel features

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Post by MisterTea »

breve wrote: post #6
ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #2

“ He who fights with Windows should see to it that he himself does not become Windows. And when you gaze long into ntoskrnl, ntoskrnl also gazes into you. ” Seriously, is it really a victory if you have to adopt the architecture of your sworn enemy?

Microsoft and Windows were never the enemy. To quote Linus Torvalds from 1997: "I don't try to be a threat to Microsoft, mainly because I don't really see MS as competition. Especially not Windows - the goals of Linux and Windows are simply so different."

We are so far removed from 1997 that this statement means nothing.

> the goals of Linux and Windows are simply so different.

So different that Windows muscle memory works on most main stream Linux UI's, Many (most?) Steam games run on Linux, and now we have Windows in the Linux kernel.

Re: Linux gaming is faster because Windows APIs are becoming Linux kernel features

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Post by tetris11 »

I wonder what spanners Windows can throw into the works to slow them down at this point, or if they're so checked out of the Desktop market as they suckle down hard on that Azure teat, that they're more than happy to let Linux eat their lunch

Re: Linux gaming is faster because Windows APIs are becoming Linux kernel features

#13

Post by jdubs1984 »

tetris11 wrote: post #12

I wonder what spanners Windows can throw into the works to slow them down at this point, or if they're so checked out of the Desktop market as they suckle down hard on that Azure teat, that they're more than happy to let Linux eat their lunch

Microsoft/Xbox is in the process of losing the living room permanently in the next gen if you ask me.

I don't know what they could do spanner tossing wise to really screw w/ Linux gaming at this point that wouldn't just drive more frustrated customers off their platform.

Re: Linux gaming is faster because Windows APIs are becoming Linux kernel features

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Post by las_balas_tres »

I developed for windows before moving to linux. I was surprised to find that was no system call similar to windows WaitForMultipleObjects. Sure you can implement something similar using poll() or using condition variables. but WaitForMultipleObjects seems so much simpler and more versatile

Re: Linux gaming is faster because Windows APIs are becoming Linux kernel features

#16

Post by not2b »

MisterTea wrote: post #11
breve wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft and Windows were never the enemy. To quote Linus Torvalds from 1997: "I don't try to be a threat to Microsoft, mainly because I don't really see MS as competition. Especially not Windows - the goals of Linux and Windows are simply so different."

We are so far removed from 1997 that this statement means nothing. > the goals of Linux and Windows are simply so different. So different that Windows muscle memory works on most main stream Linux UI's, Many (most?) Steam games run on Linux, and now we have Windows in the Linux kernel.

Rather, several missing, useful APIs that were hard to emulate efficiently have been added. That's not "Windows in the Linux kernel".

Re: Linux gaming is faster because Windows APIs are becoming Linux kernel features

#17

Post by Pay08 »

MisterTea wrote: post #11
breve wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft and Windows were never the enemy. To quote Linus Torvalds from 1997: "I don't try to be a threat to Microsoft, mainly because I don't really see MS as competition. Especially not Windows - the goals of Linux and Windows are simply so different."

We are so far removed from 1997 that this statement means nothing. > the goals of Linux and Windows are simply so different. So different that Windows muscle memory works on most main stream Linux UI's, Many (most?) Steam games run on Linux, and now we have Windows in the Linux kernel.

Does Windows muscle memory work? The vast majority of shortcuts are completely different for the casual user, and for the power user, there's no regedit or control panel and other such things.

Re: Linux gaming is faster because Windows APIs are becoming Linux kernel features

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Post by ms_menardi »

MisterTea wrote: post #11
breve wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft and Windows were never the enemy. To quote Linus Torvalds from 1997: "I don't try to be a threat to Microsoft, mainly because I don't really see MS as competition. Especially not Windows - the goals of Linux and Windows are simply so different."

We are so far removed from 1997 that this statement means nothing. > the goals of Linux and Windows are simply so different. So different that Windows muscle memory works on most main stream Linux UI's, Many (most?) Steam games run on Linux, and now we have Windows in the Linux kernel.

Um... Are you referring to WSL? Wouldn't that be the linux kernel running under windows?

Re: Linux gaming is faster because Windows APIs are becoming Linux kernel features

#19

Post by ranger_danger »

MisterTea wrote: post #11
breve wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft and Windows were never the enemy. To quote Linus Torvalds from 1997: "I don't try to be a threat to Microsoft, mainly because I don't really see MS as competition. Especially not Windows - the goals of Linux and Windows are simply so different."

We are so far removed from 1997 that this statement means nothing. > the goals of Linux and Windows are simply so different. So different that Windows muscle memory works on most main stream Linux UI's, Many (most?) Steam games run on Linux, and now we have Windows in the Linux kernel.

How do we "have Windows in the Linux kernel"?

Re: Linux gaming is faster because Windows APIs are becoming Linux kernel features

#20

Post by doublerabbit »

jdubs1984 wrote: post #13
tetris11 wrote: post #12

I wonder what spanners Windows can throw into the works to slow them down at this point, or if they're so checked out of the Desktop market as they suckle down hard on that Azure teat, that they're more than happy to let Linux eat their lunch

Microsoft/Xbox is in the process of losing the living room permanently in the next gen if you ask me. I don't know what they could do spanner tossing wise to really screw w/ Linux gaming at this point that wouldn't just drive more frustrated customers off their platform.

Lock future game developers in to a corner forcing them only to produce compatible for WSL, Windows for Linux releases. Restricting the license of use on GNU/Linux.
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