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Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by nickserv »

unlicensed wrote: post #8
mrsssnake wrote: post #5

While I could understand some AI assistance, I just cannot look at such README with clearly sloppy too detailed nonsense app icon and eyesore emoji vomit: https://github.com/etkecc/komai

It is utterly annoying to see emojis pollute information presented in a technical manner. It’s the hallmark of generated technical slop and seems to appeal to the perpetual resume polishers found on LinkedIn.

A lot of younger developers seem to really like this. Not a big fan personally, but you gotta live with the times I suppose.

I do draw the line when they start putting them in console outputs though.

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by invalidSyntax »

nickserv wrote: post #10

Wow, so much negativity, when the app scores really high on things that are supposed to be important here: * Desktop first, no electron crap * Open source and free * Linux first * Subjective, but to me it looks clean If getting all that means using some AI vibe code, that's fine by me. Who isn't these days anyway? (Be honest!) Anyway I hope the project is successful, more choice and competition in Matrix clients is a…

Vibe coding isn't bad. It's those people who do all there coding(?) with it and post it like it's there creation is the problem.

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by blurbleblurble »

nickserv wrote: post #10

Wow, so much negativity, when the app scores really high on things that are supposed to be important here: * Desktop first, no electron crap * Open source and free * Linux first * Subjective, but to me it looks clean If getting all that means using some AI vibe code, that's fine by me. Who isn't these days anyway? (Be honest!) Anyway I hope the project is successful, more choice and competition in Matrix clients is a…

People are afraid and taking it out on others

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by LoganDark »

invalidSyntax wrote: post #13
nickserv wrote: post #10

Wow, so much negativity, when the app scores really high on things that are supposed to be important here: * Desktop first, no electron crap * Open source and free * Linux first * Subjective, but to me it looks clean If getting all that means using some AI vibe code, that's fine by me. Who isn't these days anyway? (Be honest!) Anyway I hope the project is successful, more choice and competition in Matrix clients is a…

Vibe coding isn't bad. It's those people who do all there coding(?) with it and post it like it's there creation is the problem.

Who cares if they used AI assistance? Vision is theirs, prompting is theirs, guidance is theirs, verification and iteration and feedback and so on is theirs. It's not like they zero-shot "make a Matrix client for Linux" and then just posted that with zero processing, review, testing, or anything. Sheesh.

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by azertify »

I really like the Matrix ecosystem, and this client seems like a cool addition, but how are posts like this with a load of AI generated prose getting on the front page?

I can't say how frustrating it is to be midway through reading something and realise there's no human author.

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by nullsanity »

LoganDark wrote: post #15
invalidSyntax wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vibe coding isn't bad. It's those people who do all there coding(?) with it and post it like it's there creation is the problem.

Who cares if they used AI assistance? Vision is theirs, prompting is theirs, guidance is theirs, verification and iteration and feedback and so on is theirs. It's not like they zero-shot "make a Matrix client for Linux" and then just posted that with zero processing, review, testing, or anything. Sheesh.

Yeah! The burning of litres of waters is theirs, the degredation of their intellect and ability is theirs, the financial support of the companies ruining the internet and the world is theirs, the support of the hype machine ruining the economy is theirs!

It's not like they woke up and went "I'm selfish, let's make everything a little bit worse for everyone" - but evil wins when good people vibe slop and we just let it go.

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by spantaleev »

azertify wrote: post #16

I really like the Matrix ecosystem, and this client seems like a cool addition, but how are posts like this with a load of AI generated prose getting on the front page? I can't say how frustrating it is to be midway through reading something and realise there's no human author.

While AI was used for writing the code and large parts of the text (including in the blog post), I can assure you there's been a human author dedicating many days and sleepless nights on this alongside the AI.

Especially when it comes to the blog post, it's been human-reviewed and tweaked many times.

Still, if you don't like the content, it probably doesn't matter that there had been a human dedicating too much of his free time on this side project.

Source: the human author is me.

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by corndoge »

spantaleev wrote: post #18
azertify wrote: post #16

I really like the Matrix ecosystem, and this client seems like a cool addition, but how are posts like this with a load of AI generated prose getting on the front page? I can't say how frustrating it is to be midway through reading something and realise there's no human author.

While AI was used for writing the code and large parts of the text (including in the blog post), I can assure you there's been a human author dedicating many days and sleepless nights on this alongside the AI. Especially when it comes to the blog post, it's been human-reviewed and tweaked many times. Still, if you don't like the content, it probably doesn't matter that there had been a human dedicating too much of hi…

I love matrix-docker-ansible-deploy and use it for my homeservers.

I also bounced off this piece around halfway through when I realized it was mixed AI/human content. I can read AI output anytime I want. Show me your true self! :)

Thanks for your work. Appreciate you!

Re: Komai: a fine Matrix chat app you can get to love

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Post by spantaleev »

mrsssnake wrote: post #5

While I could understand some AI assistance, I just cannot look at such README with clearly sloppy too detailed nonsense app icon and eyesore emoji vomit: https://github.com/etkecc/komai

This is a FOSS project with absolutely no funding.

There's no designer around to do a professional SVG logo, so we make use of what's there - AI to generate the (raster image) icon and then some tools to turn that into an SVG.

It turned out a little rough around some edges, but still good enough, I think. If anyone would like to polish it up, PRs are most welcome!

Icons may be a matter of taste. This one may be too detailed, but still scales well to small sizes. For now, I don't see why we should follow everyone else and go with an overly-simplistic icon.

As for the README emoji vomit: this may be a matter of taste as well. I find it makes it easier to scan through things, and I can assure you that each point on the README has been given much though and review by a human. Reducing it to "emoji vomit" is going too far.

Disclosure: I've been working on this Matrix chat app in my spare time over the past few months.

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