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Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

charcircuit wrote: post #9

From what I've seen on YouTube the cars do drive themselves. This seems more like the type of thing with AI where people change the goal posts of what AI means. Just because a car did not slow down in a school zone, that doesn't mean that the car wasn't driving itself.

By that logic it’s ok if the car slams itself against a concrete wall - just because it failed to stop in time doesn’t mean it wasn’t driving itself.

Self driving cars are supposed to obey the same rules as human drivers.

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by RajT88 »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #11
charcircuit wrote: post #9

From what I've seen on YouTube the cars do drive themselves. This seems more like the type of thing with AI where people change the goal posts of what AI means. Just because a car did not slow down in a school zone, that doesn't mean that the car wasn't driving itself.

By that logic it’s ok if the car slams itself against a concrete wall - just because it failed to stop in time doesn’t mean it wasn’t driving itself. Self driving cars are supposed to obey the same rules as human drivers.

Tesla FSD is vulnerable to RoadRunner and Wile E. Coyote style tricks.

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by kalleboo »

charcircuit wrote: post #9

From what I've seen on YouTube the cars do drive themselves. This seems more like the type of thing with AI where people change the goal posts of what AI means. Just because a car did not slow down in a school zone, that doesn't mean that the car wasn't driving itself.

Elon Musks claims included (exact quotes, these posts are still on X):

Jan 10, 2016: In ~2 years, summon should work anywhere connected by land & not blocked by borders, eg you're in LA and the car is in NY

Jul 16, 2019: If we make all cars with FSD package self-driving, as planned, any such Tesla should be worth $100k to $200k, as utility increases from ~12 hours/week to ~60 hours/week

These aren't moving goalposts by antis, this are the expectations set by Elon Musk himself when advertising his products.

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by dawnerd »

charcircuit wrote: post #9

From what I've seen on YouTube the cars do drive themselves. This seems more like the type of thing with AI where people change the goal posts of what AI means. Just because a car did not slow down in a school zone, that doesn't mean that the car wasn't driving itself.

Those YouTubers are all there to make Tesla look good. It’s a grift. The ones that are honest and show the bad side get kicked out of the Tesla club fast and dogpiled on.

Also a school zone is one of the most basic things the car should be able to handle. If it can’t do that, it’s not ready for public use.

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by [deleted] »

RajT88 wrote: post #12
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that logic it’s ok if the car slams itself against a concrete wall - just because it failed to stop in time doesn’t mean it wasn’t driving itself. Self driving cars are supposed to obey the same rules as human drivers.

Tesla FSD is vulnerable to RoadRunner and Wile E. Coyote style tricks.

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Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by Teever »

kalleboo wrote: post #13
charcircuit wrote: post #9

From what I've seen on YouTube the cars do drive themselves. This seems more like the type of thing with AI where people change the goal posts of what AI means. Just because a car did not slow down in a school zone, that doesn't mean that the car wasn't driving itself.

Elon Musks claims included (exact quotes, these posts are still on X): Jan 10, 2016: In ~2 years, summon should work anywhere connected by land & not blocked by borders, eg you're in LA and the car is in NY Jul 16, 2019: If we make all cars with FSD package self-driving, as planned, any such Tesla should be worth $100k to $200k, as utility increases from ~12 hours/week to ~60 hours/week These aren't moving goalposts…

Here's more than a decade of claims from Tesla on self driving vehicles summarized in one handy table:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autono...

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by AlotOfReading »

charcircuit wrote: post #9

From what I've seen on YouTube the cars do drive themselves. This seems more like the type of thing with AI where people change the goal posts of what AI means. Just because a car did not slow down in a school zone, that doesn't mean that the car wasn't driving itself.

This is a common misconception. People tend to think driving is controlling the steering and pedals, so if FSD does those things it must be driving.

It's not. Driving is whatever has ultimate responsibility for the vehicle and its occupants. If a cop pulls you over while FSD is enabled, it's not Tesla who's paying the ticket. If FSD has an issue, you're the driver who has to respond.

Think of FSD as a very nice cruise control. You're still driving, even if you aren't touching the wheel.

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by frakkingcylons »

charcircuit wrote: post #9

From what I've seen on YouTube the cars do drive themselves. This seems more like the type of thing with AI where people change the goal posts of what AI means. Just because a car did not slow down in a school zone, that doesn't mean that the car wasn't driving itself.

See, that's really the best argument for this. It can drive itself the same way I can fly an Airbus A321. You can't sue me because I didn't land the plane "intact".

Re: Tesla owner won $10k in court for Tesla's FSD lies. Tesla is still fighting him

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Post by KumaBear »

jer0me wrote: post #5
KumaBear wrote: post #2

Earning calls are when CEO’s are telling the truth about their products. Knowing Tesla’s history of making payments he won’t see a dime. I’m no lawyer but he should set up a publicity stunt like the man who seized Bank of America’s equipment in order to get paid in full the same day. (George and Ora Lee, successfully seized assets from a Bank of America branch after the bank wrongly foreclosed on their home)

I think you mean Warren and Maureen Nyerges: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/couple-almost-forecloses-on-ban... George and Ora Lee appear to be a couple who died hours apart in 2016 after being married for 58 years.

Yea you are right. Google failed me once again.
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