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Silicon Valley's Brightest Parents Broke Their Own School

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Re: Silicon Valley's Brightest Parents Broke Their Own School

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Post by zem »

roncesvalles wrote: post #8

Usually pre-high-school gifted programs are humbug. For one, very few kids who test high-IQ at a young age remain high-IQ when they grow up (remember IQ measures where you stand relative to peers your age; often precocious intelligence is just a growth spurt). The end of Grade 8 is the perfect point to start streaming children into specialized/magnet high schools.

depends on your goal. I agree that "push them to become the next Einstein" is humbug, but "learn things appropriate to their intellectual development while staying with their age cohort" seems like a better outcome than either being bored and learning nothing in a regular class, or skipping a grade and having to cope with being a year younger than everyone else.

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Post by burnt-resistor »

roncesvalles wrote: post #8

Usually pre-high-school gifted programs are humbug. For one, very few kids who test high-IQ at a young age remain high-IQ when they grow up (remember IQ measures where you stand relative to peers your age; often precocious intelligence is just a growth spurt). The end of Grade 8 is the perfect point to start streaming children into specialized/magnet high schools.

California's GATE program in the 80's/90's seemed like a pyramid growing organization cash grab and possible human capital talent discovery and inventory system rather than anything enriching students in public K-12.

Re: Silicon Valley's Brightest Parents Broke Their Own School

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Post by roncesvalles »

zem wrote: post #11
roncesvalles wrote: post #8

Usually pre-high-school gifted programs are humbug. For one, very few kids who test high-IQ at a young age remain high-IQ when they grow up (remember IQ measures where you stand relative to peers your age; often precocious intelligence is just a growth spurt). The end of Grade 8 is the perfect point to start streaming children into specialized/magnet high schools.

depends on your goal. I agree that "push them to become the next Einstein" is humbug, but "learn things appropriate to their intellectual development while staying with their age cohort" seems like a better outcome than either being bored and learning nothing in a regular class, or skipping a grade and having to cope with being a year younger than everyone else.

That "smart kids are bored in class" thing is bs unless your kid has savant intelligence (Terence Tao level).

If your kid is very bright, it's better for him/her to be among general peers and experience what it's like to be top of the class. In my opinion the confidence that this instills is more important than "not being bored". All the serious learning happens in high school anyway.

Some parents who rabidly pursue gifted programs deep down know that their kid is not special, but are hoping that the giftedness of other kids in class will rub off on their kid, or that the higher level of education will push their kid from average to above-average. That's also where the "smart kids are bored in class (and hence not doing great)" comes from.

Re: Silicon Valley's Brightest Parents Broke Their Own School

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Post by Suppafly »

roncesvalles wrote: post #13
zem wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

depends on your goal. I agree that "push them to become the next Einstein" is humbug, but "learn things appropriate to their intellectual development while staying with their age cohort" seems like a better outcome than either being bored and learning nothing in a regular class, or skipping a grade and having to cope with being a year younger than everyone else.

That "smart kids are bored in class" thing is bs unless your kid has savant intelligence (Terence Tao level). If your kid is very bright, it's better for him/her to be among general peers and experience what it's like to be top of the class. In my opinion the confidence that this instills is more important than "not being bored". All the serious learning happens in high school anyway. Some parents who rabidly pursue…

>That "smart kids are bored in class" thing is bs unless your kid has savant intelligence (Terence Tao level).

Nah, pretty much everyone of slightly above average intelligence spends most of school bored.

Re: Silicon Valley's Brightest Parents Broke Their Own School

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Post by zem »

roncesvalles wrote: post #13
zem wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

depends on your goal. I agree that "push them to become the next Einstein" is humbug, but "learn things appropriate to their intellectual development while staying with their age cohort" seems like a better outcome than either being bored and learning nothing in a regular class, or skipping a grade and having to cope with being a year younger than everyone else.

That "smart kids are bored in class" thing is bs unless your kid has savant intelligence (Terence Tao level). If your kid is very bright, it's better for him/her to be among general peers and experience what it's like to be top of the class. In my opinion the confidence that this instills is more important than "not being bored". All the serious learning happens in high school anyway. Some parents who rabidly pursue…

it's more like "they are teaching my kid reading/maths/etc that they have already done a couple of years ahead on their own, just out of interest. more prevalent in the first 3-4 years of school than later on, but those are often just the years where teachers are not willing to give the kids any option but to participate in the class anyway.

Re: Silicon Valley's Brightest Parents Broke Their Own School

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Post by Terr_ »

Suppafly wrote: post #14
roncesvalles wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That "smart kids are bored in class" thing is bs unless your kid has savant intelligence (Terence Tao level). If your kid is very bright, it's better for him/her to be among general peers and experience what it's like to be top of the class. In my opinion the confidence that this instills is more important than "not being bored". All the serious learning happens in high school anyway. Some parents who rabidly pursue…

>That "smart kids are bored in class" thing is bs unless your kid has savant intelligence (Terence Tao level). Nah, pretty much everyone of slightly above average intelligence spends most of school bored.

Yeah, "bored" is a shared symptom which can come from a broad set of causes which call for different responses.

Some non-exhaustive examples:

1. Bored because they already knows the material.

2. Bored because the particular in-class activities are not engaging but they'll make more progress at home.

3. Bored because the entire subject seems like pointless memorization.

4. Bored because of a neurochemical issue.

Re: Silicon Valley's Brightest Parents Broke Their Own School

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Post by khelavastr »

Terr_ wrote: post #16
Suppafly wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That "smart kids are bored in class" thing is bs unless your kid has savant intelligence (Terence Tao level). Nah, pretty much everyone of slightly above average intelligence spends most of school bored.

Yeah, "bored" is a shared symptom which can come from a broad set of causes which call for different responses. Some non-exhaustive examples: 1. Bored because they already knows the material. 2. Bored because the particular in-class activities are not engaging but they'll make more progress at home. 3. Bored because the entire subject seems like pointless memorization. 4. Bored because of a neurochemical issue.

5. Bored because the lesson is over their heads, and they need to be distracted.

Re: Silicon Valley's Brightest Parents Broke Their Own School

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Post by roncesvalles »

Suppafly wrote: post #14
roncesvalles wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That "smart kids are bored in class" thing is bs unless your kid has savant intelligence (Terence Tao level). If your kid is very bright, it's better for him/her to be among general peers and experience what it's like to be top of the class. In my opinion the confidence that this instills is more important than "not being bored". All the serious learning happens in high school anyway. Some parents who rabidly pursue…

>That "smart kids are bored in class" thing is bs unless your kid has savant intelligence (Terence Tao level). Nah, pretty much everyone of slightly above average intelligence spends most of school bored.

"Bored" as the reason that a student is underperforming is almost always bs. If you're so smart then just perfect the material and ace your tests. It should be exciting not boring.

I went to a magnet high school. The very smart kids have a lot of fun running circles around everybody else.

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