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City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Meanwhile YC President Garry Tan continues to support and defend Flock. I'm curious how he'd spin this as a good thing.

It's it anything like the comments I see on here defending Flock, it'll just be a bunch of attempting to scare people with the idea of crime, and disparaging anyone in favor of privacy as being pro-crime.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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Isolated information isn't a problem. If it takes effort to access information then mass information abuse doesn't scale, it is free of cost, and consequence, access that is the issue here. Flock is attempting to destroy barriers to access around real time surveillance. There is a clear distinction between someone having a business surveillance system that points at the street that the police can get access to with some sort of device specific request and no-requirement needed brows the world access that Flock is pushing. This is different. This is evil.

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While I think this isn’t great. Why is the camera there in the first place?? Presumably there are people that have access to it. And if you are demoing software that connects to cameras, then someone gave the sales guy access to those cameras. I’m also assuming those probably weren’t the only cameras…

In many cases the people deploying these cameras have no idea the feeds are being resold to Flock. It’s not like they have a consumer brand and people are saying, “oh yeah, Flock, they’re the license plate camera folks…I definitely want one of those in my locker room.”

I feel like I’m missing something.

There is someone that is making the decision right?

Or are you just saying the person placing the cameras is decoupled from the person making the decision to aggregate them all.

But I still feel like the accountability is on who is giving the access to sensitive cameras.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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While I think this isn’t great. Why is the camera there in the first place?? Presumably there are people that have access to it. And if you are demoing software that connects to cameras, then someone gave the sales guy access to those cameras. I’m also assuming those probably weren’t the only cameras…

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Meanwhile YC President Garry Tan continues to support and defend Flock. I'm curious how he'd spin this as a good thing.

If a school shooter was in your children's daycare, wouldn't you want there to be cameras so you knew where they were?

...is how I imagine that one goes.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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While I think this isn’t great. Why is the camera there in the first place?? Presumably there are people that have access to it. And if you are demoing software that connects to cameras, then someone gave the sales guy access to those cameras. I’m also assuming those probably weren’t the only cameras…

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Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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> “The city of Dunwoody is one city in our demo partner program,” a Flock spokesperson told 404 Media. “The cities involved in this program have authorized select Flock employees to demonstrate new products and features as we develop them in partnership with the city. the two things i still dont understand are: 1) why is there not a dedicated demo environment for demos, like practically every other software? i cant t…

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Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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While I think this isn’t great. Why is the camera there in the first place?? Presumably there are people that have access to it. And if you are demoing software that connects to cameras, then someone gave the sales guy access to those cameras. I’m also assuming those probably weren’t the only cameras…

Any sane business that has lots of random people coming in will have cameras recording (except in bathrooms/locker rooms). There is too much opportunity for crime, and a camera is cheap. If something happens you pull up the feed from the last month and give the interesting parts to the police; most often you just delete everything after a month. More than one crime has been solved this way.

That said, if there wasn't a crime the camera footage should be deleted.

Re: City Learns Flock Accessed Cameras in Children's Gymnastics Room as a Sales Demo

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While I think this isn’t great. Why is the camera there in the first place?? Presumably there are people that have access to it. And if you are demoing software that connects to cameras, then someone gave the sales guy access to those cameras. I’m also assuming those probably weren’t the only cameras…

> Why is the camera there in the first place?? I imagine its for security. Ie if there are reports of robbery, you can find who did it. I know its not that popular in the states but its common elsewhere, but with better controls. (well, "better" as in controlled by shitty IoT devices) I think the thing with flock is just how poorly put together everything is. They are obviously insecure, and the entire network has ma…

Why would a gymnastics gym get robbed? It’s just a bunch of smelly equipment that’s hard to sell and probably very little cash.
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