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HardenedBSD Is Now Officially on Radicle

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Re: HardenedBSD Is Now Officially on Radicle

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Post by sunshine-o »

Radicle is a legit project that has been around for at least 5 years trying to solve a pretty hard problem.

With the awareness of the dangers of Github growing they could really start gaining traction but from what I understand they still have a big problem: you can host a node, the web UI and create repos, link it to your website but it will be hard for people to find your project and code. You are on the internet, but not on the visible one.

Radicle do have a search engine [0] but it won't return anything if you look for HardenedBSD. And maybe it is not Radicle role to provide the front door and code search infrastructure (I am pretty sure they to not have the money to support it).

So my guess is key to decentralized code forges, whether it is Radicle, Gitea or Forgego instances, really miss the search infrastructure today.

I am pretty sure HardenedBSD will keep mirrors on Github and Gitlab to stay "visible" to the broader Internet but what happen the day they have to leave because of some incompatibility with those corporations user agreement?

- [0] https://search.radicle.xyz/

Re: HardenedBSD Is Now Officially on Radicle

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Post by sunshine-o »

hobofan wrote: post #10
lorenzleutgeb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the reason of hbsd moving, see https://bsd.network/@HardenedBSD/116437657126172879

So instead of their self-hosted Gitlab instance being hammered, now their self-hosted Radicle instance will be hammered (and if they are lucky some of the other seeders will tank some of the load)? I'm not sure that this will actually solve the problem. This seems more like a facade for a move they wanted to do anyways.

Yes they have been looking into decentralized technologies like mesh networking, reticulum, etc. for a while now.

My guess is the model is let the Github mirror repo be hit by bots and just do the dev work on the Radicle node.

- [0] https://hardenedbsd.org/article/shawn-webb/2024-09-23/harden...

Re: HardenedBSD Is Now Officially on Radicle

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Post by QuantumNomad_ »

hobofan wrote: post #10
lorenzleutgeb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the reason of hbsd moving, see https://bsd.network/@HardenedBSD/116437657126172879

So instead of their self-hosted Gitlab instance being hammered, now their self-hosted Radicle instance will be hammered (and if they are lucky some of the other seeders will tank some of the load)? I'm not sure that this will actually solve the problem. This seems more like a facade for a move they wanted to do anyways.

> This seems more like a facade for a move they wanted to do anyways.

Not even a facade really. They say this further down in the thread:

> Given our previously communicated desire to migrate to #Radicle, this is a good motivating factor for moving in that direction.

Re: HardenedBSD Is Now Officially on Radicle

#14

Post by donatj »

dmos62 wrote: post #6
jgtrosh wrote: post #2

I was not aware of Radicle; it's a truly peer-to-peer Git forge which aims to guarantee commits are signed by current maintainers (among, I suppose, other goals). The article mentions an us and a you, but I feel like it would have been an useful occasion to explain why move (from where?) and why Radicle. Maybe this was already discussed elsewhere? I suppose similar discussions regarding GitHub are happening today and…

Radicle is pretty cool. > Radicle’s Collaborative Objects (COBs) provide Radicle’s social primitive. This enables features such as issues, discussions and code review to be implemented as Git objects. Developers can extend Radicle’s capabilities to build any kind of collaboration flow they see fit.

I know I'm not supposed to make jokes, this is not reddit, but you might even say it's pretty radical.

Re: HardenedBSD Is Now Officially on Radicle

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Post by Skinney »

hobofan wrote: post #10
lorenzleutgeb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the reason of hbsd moving, see https://bsd.network/@HardenedBSD/116437657126172879

So instead of their self-hosted Gitlab instance being hammered, now their self-hosted Radicle instance will be hammered (and if they are lucky some of the other seeders will tank some of the load)? I'm not sure that this will actually solve the problem. This seems more like a facade for a move they wanted to do anyways.

The load will be spread across the network, but I guess the main benefit is that everything continues working even though HardenedBSDs official seed is down.

Every user has their own node, and everyone's node talks to several seed nodes. Even if the official HardenedBSD seed is down, there's still going to be another node to sync with.

Re: HardenedBSD Is Now Officially on Radicle

#17

Post by Skinney »

ramon156 wrote: post #4

In this scenario, how does p2p compare to ATProto? The downside of both is that you still need high available servers

Radicle is local-first, so you can create issues and patches (pull requests) even when offline. It will sync when you're back online.

Also, my understanding is that ATProto is relatively centralized in practice, wheras in radicle every node is sort of equal.

Re: HardenedBSD Is Now Officially on Radicle

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Post by mkl »

> Radicle is an open source, peer-to-peer code collaboration stack built on Git. Unlike centralized code hosting platforms, there is no single entity controlling the network. Repositories are replicated across peers in a decentralized manner, and users are in full control of their data and workflow. - https://radicle.dev/

There seems to be no way to get this kind of information from the radicle.network link in this article. Clicking the logo in the top left takes you to a page that just says "A public node run by the Radicle team", which is totally uninformative.

Re: HardenedBSD Is Now Officially on Radicle

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Post by Skinney »

sunshine-o wrote: post #11

Radicle is a legit project that has been around for at least 5 years trying to solve a pretty hard problem. With the awareness of the dangers of Github growing they could really start gaining traction but from what I understand they still have a big problem: you can host a node, the web UI and create repos, link it to your website but it will be hard for people to find your project and code. You are on the internet,…

Wouldn't people discover HardenedBSD via google and then find the link to the code via the website?

I've personally never discovered projects through Github.

Re: HardenedBSD Is Now Officially on Radicle

#20

Post by heresie-dabord »

jgtrosh wrote: post #2

I was not aware of Radicle; it's a truly peer-to-peer Git forge which aims to guarantee commits are signed by current maintainers (among, I suppose, other goals). The article mentions an us and a you, but I feel like it would have been an useful occasion to explain why move (from where?) and why Radicle. Maybe this was already discussed elsewhere? I suppose similar discussions regarding GitHub are happening today and…

If it helps:

https://radicle.dev/

There is no an explanation of what Radicle is/does in the announcement.

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