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Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930

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Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930

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Darn I've only got ~20 GB of VRAM. I really need to get a stronger machine for this sort of stuff.

20GB isn't enough for a 13B parameter model? I thought the 29-31B models could run on a 24GB GTX x090 card?

I'm currently shopping for a local LLM setup and between something like the Framework Desktop with 64-128GB of shared RAM or just adding a 3090 or 4090 to my homelab so I'm very curious what hardware is working well for others.

Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930

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Related: https://github.com/haykgrigo3/TimeCapsuleLLM

> A language model trained from scratch exclusively on data from certain places and time periods to reduce modern bias and emulate the voice, vocabulary, and worldview of the era.

Discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46590280

Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930

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>Have you ever daydreamed about talking to someone from the past? Fun facts, LLM was once envisioned by Steve Jobs in one of his interviews [1]. Essentially one of his main wish in life is to meet and interract with Aristotle, in which according to him at the time, computer in the future can make it possible. [1] In 1985 Steve Jobs described a machine that would help people get answers from Aristotle–modern LLM [vide…

The idea of talking to a machine that has all of humanities knowledge and gives answers is older than electronic computing. It certainly wasn't a novel idea when Jobs gave that speech. At that time, the field of artificial intelligence was old enough to become US president.

Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930

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>Have you ever daydreamed about talking to someone from the past? Fun facts, LLM was once envisioned by Steve Jobs in one of his interviews [1]. Essentially one of his main wish in life is to meet and interract with Aristotle, in which according to him at the time, computer in the future can make it possible. [1] In 1985 Steve Jobs described a machine that would help people get answers from Aristotle–modern LLM [vide…

Except... not at all? The vast majority of the training data required to create an artificial Aristotle has been lost forever. Smash your coffee cup on the ground. Now reassemble it and put the coffee back in. Once you can repeatably do that I'll begin to believe you can train an artificial Aristotle.

Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930

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Naturally I hit up https://talkie-lm.com/chat and tried:

  Generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle
I got back:

  An SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle was generated in 1860.
  The pelican was represented as perched on the saddle, with
  its long bill pointed forward, and its legs astride the
  handles. The idea was suggested by the fact that pelicans are
  sometimes seen fishing on horseback, on the banks of the
  Rhine.

Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930

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I have no real quibble with the blog post itself, but I take issue with the title that calls it a "vintage model".

The blog post defines a "vintage model" as one that is trained only on data before a particular cutoff point:

> Vintage LMs are contamination-free by construction, enabling unique generalization experiments [...] The most important objective when training vintage language models is that no data leaks into the training corpus from after the intended knowledge cutoff

But as they acknowledge later, there are multiple major data leakage issues in their training pipeline, and their model does in fact have quite a bit of anachronistic knowledge. So it fails at what they call the most important objective. It's fair to say that they are working toward something that meets their definition of "vintage", but they're not there yet.

Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930

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>Have you ever daydreamed about talking to someone from the past? Fun facts, LLM was once envisioned by Steve Jobs in one of his interviews [1]. Essentially one of his main wish in life is to meet and interract with Aristotle, in which according to him at the time, computer in the future can make it possible. [1] In 1985 Steve Jobs described a machine that would help people get answers from Aristotle–modern LLM [vide…

Imagine aiming for Aristotle and landing on Siri…

Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930

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>Have you ever daydreamed about talking to someone from the past?

It's going to be more like corresponding with someone from the past. We don't have much in the way of recorded speech from that area, so this will be built from written records. Much more than now, the written records are going to be formal and edited, reflecting a different pattern than casual speech or writing.

Having said that, this is cool. I recently had to OCR a two-hundred year old book with the usual garish fonts from that era. It was remarkably easy to do, and accurate.

Re: Talkie: a 13B vintage language model from 1930

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post #2

Darn I've only got ~20 GB of VRAM. I really need to get a stronger machine for this sort of stuff.

20GB isn't enough for a 13B parameter model? I thought the 29-31B models could run on a 24GB GTX x090 card? I'm currently shopping for a local LLM setup and between something like the Framework Desktop with 64-128GB of shared RAM or just adding a 3090 or 4090 to my homelab so I'm very curious what hardware is working well for others.

> 20GB isn't enough for a 13B parameter model? I thought the 29-31B models could run on a 24GB GTX x090 card?

Parameters are like Hertz - they don't really tell you much until you know the rest anyways. In this case, a parameter is a bfloat16 (2 bytes). I'm sure someone will bother to makes quants at some point.

> I'm currently shopping for a local LLM setup and between something like the Framework Desktop with 64-128GB of shared RAM or just adding a 3090 or 4090 to my homelab so I'm very curious what hardware is working well for others.

I grabbed a 395 laptop w/ 128 GB to be a personal travel workstation. Great for that purpose. Not exactly a speed demon with LLMs but it can load large ones (which run even slower as a result) and that wasn't really my intent. I've found GPUs make more usable local LLMs, particularly in the speed department, but I suppose that depends more on how you really use them and how much you're willing to pay to have enough total VRAM.

It's next to impossible to make your money back on local (regardless what you buy) so I'd just say "go for whatever amount of best you're willing to put money down for" and enjoy it.

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