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Re: Hacker News: Unknown or Expired Link

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Those kind of links are a great irritation for me when browsing and reading HN. Instead of http://news.ycombinator.com/x?fnid=KnmhPyrF1t Why not for example: http://news.ycombinator.com/news?page=2 ?

There is actually a http://news.ycombinator.com/news2 but I don't know in which cases it's linked from the front-page. I have seen it though, maybe it's at times with high traffic?

Re: Hacker News: Unknown or Expired Link

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http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3098756 > why wouldn't they use (searchable) permalinks? I'm assuming there's a reason for this, as its not the easiest way to do things. It's straight forward, but not when you are using closures and continuations.

So... hacker news chose to let their product be limited by an engineering issue?

Must we discuss the same thing that was discussed in the thread I posted the link to? Nothing new has happened since the last thread.

Re: Hacker News: Unknown or Expired Link

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post #10

Those kind of links are a great irritation for me when browsing and reading HN. Instead of http://news.ycombinator.com/x?fnid=KnmhPyrF1t Why not for example: http://news.ycombinator.com/news?page=2 ?

Because things on the front page might have been pushed to page 2 by then, and things on page 2 might have been promoted to page 1, or aged to page 3, etc. The way it works now, all the ordering is fixed when you load the page 1, and page 2 will still be the same page 2 whenever you get around to clicking on it.

A solution would be that when your page 2 expires then you should be redirected to the most up-to-date page 2 rather than being told page 2 doesn't exist.

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I've wondered at times if PG isn't deliberately leaving this problem in place so that people who get annoyed by it are filtered out as users of the web site.

> I've wondered at times if PG isn't deliberately leaving this problem

Since you know about the implementation(I haven't looked closely), won't it need a complete overhaul to take closures out of equation? Or implement some sort of closure serialization(on-disk maybe)? Is there a third option where pg just bangs at the keyboard for a couple of hours, and done?

Re: Hacker News: Unknown or Expired Link

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How about some keyboard navigation shortcuts? (left-right arrows). It works on http://www.HnEasy.com .

emacs style editing in the text box

Shouldn't that be a browser feature, rather than every website creating their own different implementation?

Re: Hacker News: Unknown or Expired Link

#17

I'm fairly certain HN itself isn't actively developed. If I remember correctly, there was quite a bit of teeth-gnashing over the state of password storage on HN awhile back, and it took the moving of mountains before things were changed (were they ever changed?).

Why would it be? It works well enough and it's not worth anything to add features. It's PG's experiment.

Re: Hacker News: Unknown or Expired Link

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This has been discussed to death. Apparently you have to deal with it and it's not going to be fixed.

However, if anyone is curious about why it's happening, this is what the arc code is doing http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3098863

If you don't follow arc, here is a python and ruby approximation of the arc challenge http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3098863

https://github.com/rahulkmr/musings/blob/master/ruby/sinatra...

https://github.com/rahulkmr/musings/blob/master/python/closu...

Re: Hacker News: Unknown or Expired Link

#20

Those kind of links are a great irritation for me when browsing and reading HN. Instead of http://news.ycombinator.com/x?fnid=KnmhPyrF1t Why not for example: http://news.ycombinator.com/news?page=2 ?

Those kind of links are a great irritation for me when browsing and reading HN.

My work around for the "unknown or expired link" bug is to open page 1 of HN, then immediately open pages 2, 3, and 4, but in separate tabs.

That way, I never run afoul of that bug, and opening tabs is really easy in every modern browser.

I'd be interested to know how other people work around the bug.

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