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For MAGA, saying the quiet part out loud, "the west" = white people. While I dislike looking at everything solely through a racial lens, I think in this case it applies.
There really is no sense in pretending that this is not a white supremacy movement. They are saying it out loud. Now we just need to figure out what this means and how to deal with it.
It was fascinating, that the MAGA American conservatives lump the US together with Europe into "the West" though there has been significant differences in the averages people world view (and the elites ofc) Europe (ofc also diverse internally) is a secular or secular-becoming continent. There wouldnt be any big movement fighting to put the 10 commandments into class rooms. This affects formally religious countries li…
I think the religion difference is a lot smaller than you're giving it credit for. In Germany, most conservatives vote for an explicitly Christian political party and Good Friday is a public holiday. It's also my understanding, although I haven't researched this in detail, that German public schools are permitted or even required to offer religious instruction far beyond what would be allowed in the US.
The only thing that modern evangelical churches have in common is they read the same bible and believe Christ was resurrected, but their theology is different, their practices are different, there is no formal clergy or clerical education/scholarship, and their values typically invert from what every other Christian denomination teaches. And there are more cults than you can possibly imagine.
It was fascinating, that the MAGA American conservatives lump the US together with Europe into "the West" though there has been significant differences in the averages people world view (and the elites ofc) Europe (ofc also diverse internally) is a secular or secular-becoming continent. There wouldnt be any big movement fighting to put the 10 commandments into class rooms. This affects formally religious countries li…
> It was fascinating, that the MAGA American conservatives lump the US together with Europe into "the West" This is not “MAGA Americans” characterization. It is the outcome of 2000+ years of history culminating in the U.S. being primarily populated by European peoples and the post WWII world order, with highlights including the Marshall Plan and NATO.
It was fascinating, that the MAGA American conservatives lump the US together with Europe into "the West" though there has been significant differences in the averages people world view (and the elites ofc) Europe (ofc also diverse internally) is a secular or secular-becoming continent. There wouldnt be any big movement fighting to put the 10 commandments into class rooms. This affects formally religious countries li…
I think the religion difference is a lot smaller than you're giving it credit for. In Germany, most conservatives vote for an explicitly Christian political party and Good Friday is a public holiday. It's also my understanding, although I haven't researched this in detail, that German public schools are permitted or even required to offer religious instruction far beyond what would be allowed in the US.
The German state is linked more to religions but rather trajectory it is becoming more secular. My example about Texas shows the different direction and shows how Germany is changing into a different direction then what MAGA people want.
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I think the religion difference is a lot smaller than you're giving it credit for. In Germany, most conservatives vote for an explicitly Christian political party and Good Friday is a public holiday. It's also my understanding, although I haven't researched this in detail, that German public schools are permitted or even required to offer religious instruction far beyond what would be allowed in the US.
The party is called the "Christian Democratic Party" but in practice pushes no christian policies. 47% of germans are legally atheists. Only 5% regularly visit mass.
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There really is no sense in pretending that this is not a white supremacy movement. They are saying it out loud. Now we just need to figure out what this means and how to deal with it.
Maintaining the culture of white people does not require white supremacy.
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> It was fascinating, that the MAGA American conservatives lump the US together with Europe into "the West" This is not “MAGA Americans” characterization. It is the outcome of 2000+ years of history culminating in the U.S. being primarily populated by European peoples and the post WWII world order, with highlights including the Marshall Plan and NATO.
Yet many Americans (not only) don't make a big attempt to understand other Western countries.
The Westphalian system of armed states had its legs chopped out from under it after 1945, but it's taking a while for a new way to materialize.
This is one of the reasons why the Absolute Worst Thing is a nuclear-armed state with uncertain borders. Look around the world and you'll see that the "trouble spots" we spend a lot of time looking at in the news, are those places where nuke powers get to feeling itchy and twitchy about where exactly their countries end.
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There really is no sense in pretending that this is not a white supremacy movement. They are saying it out loud. Now we just need to figure out what this means and how to deal with it.
Maintaining the culture of white people does not require white supremacy.
Irish people, German people, Scandivian people: yeah, sure, of course they have culture.
But "white" is not a culture, it's a social construct that exists primarily for exclusion. CF: people who are now, and previously weren't, considered white (Poles, Italians, some Jews, etc).
If whiteness exists only to delineate the in groups/out groups, the only "culture" of whiteness is that of protecting the power of those deemed to be "white".
So, yeah, I think "maintaining the culture of white people" inherently requires a concept of white supremacy.
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Maintaining the culture of white people does not require white supremacy.
"White people" do not have culture. Irish people, German people, Scandivian people: yeah, sure, of course they have culture. But "white" is not a culture, it's a social construct that exists primarily for exclusion. CF: people who are now, and previously weren't, considered white (Poles, Italians, some Jews, etc). If whiteness exists only to delineate the in groups/out groups, the only "culture" of whiteness is that…
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Maintaining the culture of white people does not require white supremacy.
"White people" do not have culture. Irish people, German people, Scandivian people: yeah, sure, of course they have culture. But "white" is not a culture, it's a social construct that exists primarily for exclusion. CF: people who are now, and previously weren't, considered white (Poles, Italians, some Jews, etc). If whiteness exists only to delineate the in groups/out groups, the only "culture" of whiteness is that…
This is a rude statement to claim as you are denying the existence of a group of people. Just because a group can consist of other subgroups that does not mean a larger group does not exist.
>it's a social construct that exists primarily for exclusion.
Everything can be a social construct if you want to try and frame it as one and while the actual definition may be complex it is not any more complex than other groups of people like Chinese which also consist of subgroups which people may or may not consider the same Chinese as one another. To say that the term of white is used primarily for exclusion that is wrong and I think more reflects the kind of content you consume.