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Re: CyanogenMod domain situation has been resolved

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Post by a_bonobo »

Herring wrote: post #9
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #7

There is so much wrong with the other guy's story [1] that it's hard to even know where to begin. 1. No mention of the 10K extortion attempt. 2. No mention of the "big deal" (fraud) perpetrated by impersonating Steve and or the CM team to negotiate deals that netted the guy (a guesstimated) $8K. 3. The Registrar changing the NSs of a locked domain is either baloney, or a good reason to never use that registrar again.…

> Were there ever "the days" when people would say "I'm sorry" without caveats or excuses and mean it 100%? Nope. The one thing I remember from How to Win Friends and Influence People is that nobody ever believes they are at fault. Pointing fingers is rarely productive. It's best just to accept it & learn from it & move on.

So we can all learn something from that G+-post - if you want to apologize for your behaviour, don't imply that it wasn't really your fault, apologize for everything.

Especially Japanese company-leaders handle this very well, often resigning over (to Westerners) trivial matters - it's their company and they take the blame.

This way, the guy just makes himself look even worse! If he would've just left the matter be he would have still had the benefit of doubt, which he himself now destroyed.

Re: CyanogenMod domain situation has been resolved

#12

Post by esolyt »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #7

There is so much wrong with the other guy's story [1] that it's hard to even know where to begin. 1. No mention of the 10K extortion attempt. 2. No mention of the "big deal" (fraud) perpetrated by impersonating Steve and or the CM team to negotiate deals that netted the guy (a guesstimated) $8K. 3. The Registrar changing the NSs of a locked domain is either baloney, or a good reason to never use that registrar again.…

According to ArsTechnica:

"No money has ever been extorted from CM nor will it ever be," Deveci told Ars. Ahmet claims that Kondik once asked him how much he would be willing to sell the domain for. "I replied as a joke and said $10K. He didn't even reply after that, he went offline, and simply started changing all my logins access and passwords."

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/owner-of-cyanogenmod-...

Re: CyanogenMod domain situation has been resolved

#13

Post by drivebyacct2 »

esolyt wrote: post #12
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #7

There is so much wrong with the other guy's story [1] that it's hard to even know where to begin. 1. No mention of the 10K extortion attempt. 2. No mention of the "big deal" (fraud) perpetrated by impersonating Steve and or the CM team to negotiate deals that netted the guy (a guesstimated) $8K. 3. The Registrar changing the NSs of a locked domain is either baloney, or a good reason to never use that registrar again.…

According to ArsTechnica: "No money has ever been extorted from CM nor will it ever be," Deveci told Ars. Ahmet claims that Kondik once asked him how much he would be willing to sell the domain for. "I replied as a joke and said $10K. He didn't even reply after that, he went offline, and simply started changing all my logins access and passwords." http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/owner-of-cyanogenmod-...

There is a lot more information regarding stuff from the past few months involving other accounts and/or proof of defrauding. I'd basically be puppeting someone from the team, repeating it from IRC here and that feels wrong to me. Suffice it to say, I don't buy for a second that this was meant as a joke, and at the very least I don't blame Steve for immediately taking action.

Re: CyanogenMod domain situation has been resolved

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Post by gingerbreadman »

I guess this is a good case study as to how the community should always take control of the domain and other online accounts after a certain point.

It was handled correctly from the initial look of it, and hopefully it will make CM into a stronger community as well!

Re: CyanogenMod domain situation has been resolved

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Post by fruchtose »

esolyt wrote: post #12
drivebyacct2 wrote: post #7

There is so much wrong with the other guy's story [1] that it's hard to even know where to begin. 1. No mention of the 10K extortion attempt. 2. No mention of the "big deal" (fraud) perpetrated by impersonating Steve and or the CM team to negotiate deals that netted the guy (a guesstimated) $8K. 3. The Registrar changing the NSs of a locked domain is either baloney, or a good reason to never use that registrar again.…

According to ArsTechnica: "No money has ever been extorted from CM nor will it ever be," Deveci told Ars. Ahmet claims that Kondik once asked him how much he would be willing to sell the domain for. "I replied as a joke and said $10K. He didn't even reply after that, he went offline, and simply started changing all my logins access and passwords." http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/owner-of-cyanogenmod-...

Either Deveci is trying to hide the fact that he attempted extortion, or he has no sense of proportion. $10,000 is exactly the wrong amount for a joke. $1 would be silly. $100 would be reasonable. $1 million would be a joke. $10,000 is extortion.

Re: CyanogenMod domain situation has been resolved

#16

Post by shiftpgdn »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #7

There is so much wrong with the other guy's story [1] that it's hard to even know where to begin. 1. No mention of the 10K extortion attempt. 2. No mention of the "big deal" (fraud) perpetrated by impersonating Steve and or the CM team to negotiate deals that netted the guy (a guesstimated) $8K. 3. The Registrar changing the NSs of a locked domain is either baloney, or a good reason to never use that registrar again.…

You can change the nameservers of a locked domain all day long. The lock status only prevents a transfer attempt, not updates to the domain's WHOIS or nameservers.

Re: CyanogenMod domain situation has been resolved

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Post by thingis2 »

fruchtose wrote: post #15
esolyt wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to ArsTechnica: "No money has ever been extorted from CM nor will it ever be," Deveci told Ars. Ahmet claims that Kondik once asked him how much he would be willing to sell the domain for. "I replied as a joke and said $10K. He didn't even reply after that, he went offline, and simply started changing all my logins access and passwords." http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/11/owner-of-cyanogenmod-...

Either Deveci is trying to hide the fact that he attempted extortion, or he has no sense of proportion. $10,000 is exactly the wrong amount for a joke. $1 would be silly. $100 would be reasonable. $1 million would be a joke. $10,000 is extortion.

Here's the thing. Answering the question "how much would you sell it for" when you actually own something just turned out not to be such a good idea.

Perhaps the real lesson is not to answer that question. I don't know what correct way to answer this question is - maybe "lol, it's not like you have a budget. Since you can't pay anything I will say, one trillion billllllion dollars. But I don't wan't to hear '___ holding domain he owns and has been paying fees on for ransom for one trillion billion dollars.' Seriously, this is not a real question."

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