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Louisiana Advances One of the Country's 'Cruelest' Anti-Homeless Bills

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> Those who are convicted of sleeping outdoors could be given the option to avoid jail time by instead entering into a mandatory treatment program for at least 12 months. The bill authorizes local governments to set up semi-permanent camps in remote areas, where defendants would be required to stay and receive treatment. So basically state funded mandatory rehab for everyone ?

Doesn't the article say they have to pay for it themselves?

arbeit macht frei

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There is homelessness, and then there is drug and/or alcohol addiction. > Those who are convicted of sleeping outdoors could be given the option to avoid jail time by instead entering into a mandatory treatment program for at least 12 months. What happens if someone is homeless and not addicted to drugs or alcohol? Why assume everyone who is homeless is also an addict? It seems entirely reasonable that someone homele…

The American mindset: “if they’re homeless, they clearly did something wrong and/or deserve it.”

I certainly do not agree with that. My point is that this article itself conflates homelessness and addiction, which I think is a serious error.

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There is homelessness, and then there is drug and/or alcohol addiction. > Those who are convicted of sleeping outdoors could be given the option to avoid jail time by instead entering into a mandatory treatment program for at least 12 months. What happens if someone is homeless and not addicted to drugs or alcohol? Why assume everyone who is homeless is also an addict? It seems entirely reasonable that someone homele…

The American mindset: “if they’re homeless, they clearly did something wrong and/or deserve it.”

Right, despite the biggest cause of homelessness: medical debt.

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The American mindset: “if they’re homeless, they clearly did something wrong and/or deserve it.”

I certainly do not agree with that. My point is that this article itself conflates homelessness and addiction, which I think is a serious error.

What specific information makes you think that?

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How does this actually stop homelessness? Most homeless people, if you fine them money, won't exactly be able to find housing more easily. Similarly, if you imprison them, they aren't suddenly able to find a job more easily.

At least if they’re imprisoned they’re no longer homeless

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How does this actually stop homelessness? Most homeless people, if you fine them money, won't exactly be able to find housing more easily. Similarly, if you imprison them, they aren't suddenly able to find a job more easily.

Most people experiencing homelessness are approached repeatedly by workers hoping to get them into programs that will provide them work, housing, mental healthcare.

There's a lot of complexity, like people who appear homeless but do have a place to sleep, but appear mentally ill.

For the most part, people in these situations are not looking for work or housing.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The American mindset: “if they’re homeless, they clearly did something wrong and/or deserve it.”

I certainly do not agree with that. My point is that this article itself conflates homelessness and addiction, which I think is a serious error.

I know. I mean this is the mindset that causes this conflation in the first place.

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Agreed. My town has a homeless problem. They say they need beds so the town adds beds and now we get homeless from all the other towns coming in. Comparatively few of our homeless are from here.

Do be careful. Everyone claims that, but it's almost always something like 80% local in every place that measures.

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There is homelessness, and then there is drug and/or alcohol addiction. > Those who are convicted of sleeping outdoors could be given the option to avoid jail time by instead entering into a mandatory treatment program for at least 12 months. What happens if someone is homeless and not addicted to drugs or alcohol? Why assume everyone who is homeless is also an addict? It seems entirely reasonable that someone homele…

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