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Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by ceejayoz »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #9
embedding-shape wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that he can improve the ecosystem for everyone using it [...] to ask me to consider his products with it only taking one minute for me to opt out Seems you misunderstand the issue. Anyone not deploying to Laravel Cloud but using that project seems to be impacted by this, even going so far that agents are confused about it and keeps insisting users should deploy to Laravel Cloud instead. Maybe I'm a grumpy old devel…

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Laravel has been apparently profitable for quite some time; they've long had a paid ecosystem with things like Forge, Vapor, paid components, etc.

I don't think it's unfair to be wary of the shift to VC funding and stuff like this that really feels like it wouldn't have been a thing prior to that.

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by guizadillas »

Here's the change if anyone is interested: https://github.com/laravel/boost/pull/758/changes/589394c44a...

For me it is not the right move, one thing is letting users know Laravel Cloud is an option and another one is removing any alternative from the text

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by sixhobbits »

shevy-java wrote: post #7

By the way, one quick comment: > By contrast, Ruby on Rails is backed by a foundation that launched with about $1M from sponsors like Shopify and GitHub. So, not disagreeing on this being an issue for Laravel abusing users, but in particular the role of Shopify in the ruby ecosystem is, in my opinion (and that of many others) a net-negative. Look at how many ruby developers got ultimately fired when rubygems.org (ok,…

Author here, I was actually surprised to learn this too. I reached for Ruby and Django as examples of non commerical frameworks and before writing this I didn't know about the $1M backing either.

I guess I'd have a hard time turning down that kind of money for something I cared about so no judgement to the creators who make the choices but I do think it's something we need to understand the effects of as community members

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by monooso »

ceejayoz wrote: post #4
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #3

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https://x.com/taylorotwell/status/1534178479201259520 I really don't think he's hurting for funds.

The headline wasn't "Taylor Otwell bought a Lambo in 2022 and now injects ads...".

VCs typically want a return on their 57 million dollar investment.

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by ceejayoz »

monooso wrote: post #14
ceejayoz wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://x.com/taylorotwell/status/1534178479201259520 I really don't think he's hurting for funds.

The headline wasn't "Taylor Otwell bought a Lambo in 2022 and now injects ads...". VCs typically want a return on their 57 million dollar investment.

> VCs typically want a return on their 57 million dollar investment.

And people warned about this when they announced it.

This is a sign those warnings were valid.

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by sixhobbits »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #9
embedding-shape wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that he can improve the ecosystem for everyone using it [...] to ask me to consider his products with it only taking one minute for me to opt out Seems you misunderstand the issue. Anyone not deploying to Laravel Cloud but using that project seems to be impacted by this, even going so far that agents are confused about it and keeps insisting users should deploy to Laravel Cloud instead. Maybe I'm a grumpy old devel…

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He has no obligations to us as we did not pay him, but we also have the right to call out stuff we think is wrong as he didn't pay us

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by LogicFailsMe »

shevy-java wrote: post #5

We need ublock origin EVERYWHERE. I actually wrote this before on reddit, before I eventually left reddit due to the censorship. KDE changed a lot and Nate asked for donations via a daemon. I pointed out that we now need to undo pester-ads added by KDE developers. Lo and behold, I was cancelled on #kde reddit. I still think we need something like ublock origin but for EVERYTHING, not just the browser. ublock origin i…

Every time tech invents something amazing, the enshittification follows shortly thereafter.

Re: Laravel raised money and now injects ads directly into your agent

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Post by p4bl0 »

shevy-java wrote: post #5

We need ublock origin EVERYWHERE. I actually wrote this before on reddit, before I eventually left reddit due to the censorship. KDE changed a lot and Nate asked for donations via a daemon. I pointed out that we now need to undo pester-ads added by KDE developers. Lo and behold, I was cancelled on #kde reddit. I still think we need something like ublock origin but for EVERYTHING, not just the browser. ublock origin i…

I also block ads everywhere I can, but I have to admit that an open source project such as KDE showing once a year a simple text notification asking their users to consider making a donation has nothing to do with a commercial ads in my opinion.
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