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Re: EU Age Verification Solution

#11

Post by jampekka »

Someone wrote: post #10
nilslindemann wrote: post #2

What about users with no smart phone?

From skimming the texts, I don’t see a 100% hard requirement of using a smart phone. Yes, in https://ageverification.dev/av-doc-technical-specification/d... , section 2.3 User Journey says “To enable online age verification, the User is required to install an AV app on their mobile device” but section 3 Architecture says “The solution relies on a device-based proof of age model, leveraging widely available mobile dev…

The app is available only on Android (and maybe iOS) and requires Google/Apple attestation.

There's been extensive discussion about this, but the developers refuse to even fully acknowledge the problem.

Re: EU Age Verification Solution

#13

Post by exceptione »

techcode wrote: post #3
nilslindemann wrote: post #2

What about users with no smart phone?

In The Netherlands I wouldn't be able to login to any government or adjecent websites (e.g. portal of my local health center/GP, health insurance, retirement/pension insurance) without a smart phone running DigiD app for 2FA. The non-EU Serbia has the equivalent app, but also you might be able to get individual/personal e-certificate (for logging into e-government or signing e-documents) added into smart card chip of…

Dumb phone works as well with sms verification.

Re: EU Age Verification Solution

#15

Post by raxxorraxor »

budududuroiu wrote: post #14

EU leaders are aware that for the next couple of decades, they will have to lead from a position of deep unpopularity. This is the "solution" to that problem, not whatever they're claiming is the problem.

I really doubt it will establish itself as something broadly adopted. Perhaps the EU tries to force the issue, but that will undermine this "solution" as well and there are ways to evade that.

There were good ideas at first but especially data protection features have already been scrapped. Also you need to buy into the Apple or Google ecosystem, no alternatives allowed. Especially funny if the next sentence contains some reference about independence...

I will not use it for anything privately as I neither trust the issuer, nor the notified bodies providing the infrastructure.

Our police accessed app data from Corona movement apps, it will do the same for any and all digital solutions the bureaucracy tries to sell. This is political problem we had for decades. Authorities aren't trustworthy, the legislative refuses to introduce strong privacy protection and instead tries to do the opposite. They even further enabled large platforms to scrap user data even more unhinged. To hell with them and with their shitty projects, I don't need a shitty content gatekeeper, even if you pay me.

Re: EU Age Verification Solution

#17

Post by Someone »

jampekka wrote: post #11
Someone wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From skimming the texts, I don’t see a 100% hard requirement of using a smart phone. Yes, in https://ageverification.dev/av-doc-technical-specification/d... , section 2.3 User Journey says “To enable online age verification, the User is required to install an AV app on their mobile device” but section 3 Architecture says “The solution relies on a device-based proof of age model, leveraging widely available mobile dev…

The app is available only on Android (and maybe iOS) and requires Google/Apple attestation. There's been extensive discussion about this, but the developers refuse to even fully acknowledge the problem.

Is there a “the App”? The text I referenced talks of “a Reference Implementation”. That suggests, to me, that there will be multiple apps, leaving open ones for other platforms than smartphones.

And yes, it remains to be seen whether, as they say “alternative mechanisms for storing and presenting proof of age” that “may be considered for future versions of the solution” actually will actually surface, but their argument “The solution relies on a device-based proof of age model, leveraging widely available mobile devices such as smartphones and tablets to store age attestations. This approach supports the goal of rapid deployment and broad accessibility.” has merit.

Re: EU Age Verification Solution

#18

Post by squigz »

budududuroiu wrote: post #14

EU leaders are aware that for the next couple of decades, they will have to lead from a position of deep unpopularity. This is the "solution" to that problem, not whatever they're claiming is the problem.

> they will have to lead from a position of deep unpopularity

Can you elaborate on... why?

Re: EU Age Verification Solution

#19

Post by t0bia_s »

squigz wrote: post #18
budududuroiu wrote: post #14

EU leaders are aware that for the next couple of decades, they will have to lead from a position of deep unpopularity. This is the "solution" to that problem, not whatever they're claiming is the problem.

> they will have to lead from a position of deep unpopularity Can you elaborate on... why?

Tons of regulations over and over.

  General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR)
  EU Artificial Intelligence Act (AI Act)
  ePrivacy Directive (Cookie Law)
  Digital Services Act (DSA)
  Digital Markets Act (DMA)
  Common Agricultural Policy (CAP)
  Carbon Border Adjustment Mechanism (CBAM)
  EU Emissions Trading System (ETS)
  Corporate Sustainability Due Diligence Directive (CSDDD)
  REACH Regulation (chemicals control)
  Packaging and Packaging Waste Regulation (PPWR)
  Nature Restoration Law
  Renewable Energy Directive (RED III)
  Working Time Directive
  Posted Workers Directive
  Roaming Regulation (price caps for telecoms)
  VAT Directive (harmonized VAT rules)
  State Aid Rules
  Schengen Border Code (migration/border controls)
  Eco-design and product standardization rules
  Corporate Sustainability Reporting Directive (CSRD)
  EU Taxonomy Regulation
  Sustainable Finance Disclosure Regulation
  Regulation to Prevent and Combat Child Sexual Abuse
It dictate sustainability, but instead create unsustainable behemot that costs tax payers more than it brings. It hampers competitiveness, remove freedoms from citizens and holding back the economy. One of the original ideas of building EU was to bring common market. Not any more.

Basically EU holds power through funding projects by grants, which fundamentally breaks free market and there is no transparency in it (ie. Pfizer contracts, proponents of Chat Control, etc.).

Re: EU Age Verification Solution

#20

Post by jampekka »

Someone wrote: post #17
jampekka wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The app is available only on Android (and maybe iOS) and requires Google/Apple attestation. There's been extensive discussion about this, but the developers refuse to even fully acknowledge the problem.

Is there a “ the App”? The text I referenced talks of “a Reference Implementation”. That suggests, to me, that there will be multiple apps, leaving open ones for other platforms than smartphones. And yes, it remains to be seen whether, as they say “alternative mechanisms for storing and presenting proof of age” that “may be considered for future versions of the solution” actually will actually surface, but their argu…

There are Android and iOS apps. It's advertised as a "white label solution", meaning productized apps should be built on it.

https://ageverification.dev/Setup

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