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Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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Post by superfrank »

josefritzishere wrote: post #5

Flock is so wantonly irresponsible. Their security focus is borderline non-existent. This sector desperately needs to be regulated.

The sector is heavily regulated. I worked at a company in the same space as Flock a few years ago and production access was restricted to only those who needed it when they needed it (automated system that would give access for a defined period of time and then revoke it). It also required getting CJIS certified which was a massive pain in the ass and required things like being finger printed and sending forms to every individual state.

If Flock is just giving everyone in their company access to production data it's not that the sector needs ,more regulation, it's that someone need to audit Flock for compliance.

Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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Post by goatlover »

therobots927 wrote: post #9

It may take time but make no mistake - this will become a bigger issue than it currently is. The fact that multiple high level Flock employees appear to be spying on children in highly suspect settings (gym, pool) is a massive, massive scandal. This just gave everyone at their city council meetings some of the most potent talking points to use against city adoption of Flock cameras. This is just the beginning.

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Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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Post by superfrank »

bpt3 wrote: post #6
josefritzishere wrote: post #5

Flock is so wantonly irresponsible. Their security focus is borderline non-existent. This sector desperately needs to be regulated.

By whom? The regulators are the ones signing up for these services.

The FBI. This sounds like a CJIS violation

Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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Post by fakedang »

josefritzishere wrote: post #5

Flock is so wantonly irresponsible. Their security focus is borderline non-existent. This sector desperately needs to be regulated.

> Flock is so wantonly irresponsible. Their security focus is borderline non-existent. This sector desperately needs to be regulated.

Like literally every other YC company lol.

Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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goatlover wrote: post #12
therobots927 wrote: post #9

It may take time but make no mistake - this will become a bigger issue than it currently is. The fact that multiple high level Flock employees appear to be spying on children in highly suspect settings (gym, pool) is a massive, massive scandal. This just gave everyone at their city council meetings some of the most potent talking points to use against city adoption of Flock cameras. This is just the beginning.

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Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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Post by cyanydeez »

Bender wrote: post #4

Why is there a flock camera indoors at a school in the first place? Are the schools supposed to be putting video and audio footage of children on 3rd party storage platforms? Are the parents aware of this? Perhaps PTA meetings should discuss. That seems like something that should be using close circuit PoE cameras to local NVR's with on-prem encrypted storage with a retention policy if there must be cameras. Encrypte…

Most likely, it's part of not dealing directly with access to guns, and associated Police state and chillun-to-prison pipeline.

This seems to just be a regular progression, and offering some open source alternative to oppression is amusing.

Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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Post by bhandziuk »

As someone who has been somewhat involved with this I'm disappointed and but not terribly surprised this goes even deeper than Dunwoody public spaces. There was a lot of community engagement on the Flock contract renewal but the vote was postponed twice. It seemed like once community engagement died down (because asking people to stay vigilant constantly is exhausting). Council seemed upset but when it came down to it they voted unanimously to continue and expand the Flock contract.

I feel like it really does a lot of harm to public trust. But also most people, even people pretty engaged in the community, just don't know or care about the consequences of being surveilled constantly. It's very hard to convey to them the potential harm this is doing to them or their kids.

Re: Why are Flock employees watching our children?

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Post by kube-system »

Bender wrote: post #4

Why is there a flock camera indoors at a school in the first place? Are the schools supposed to be putting video and audio footage of children on 3rd party storage platforms? Are the parents aware of this? Perhaps PTA meetings should discuss. That seems like something that should be using close circuit PoE cameras to local NVR's with on-prem encrypted storage with a retention policy if there must be cameras. Encrypte…

The main reason that organizations choose commercially managed solutions is because they don't have local expertise or staff to do things themselves. I do agree that on-prem solutions are better, but Zoneminder is probably not a great option. Besides being old and clunky, it also isn't anywhere near a complete solution, and the IP cameras people often choose to connect to them are often security nightmares. There are many good and complete commercial offerings that are secure and keep video locally.
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