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Gemini Robotics-ER 1.6

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Re: Gemini Robotics-ER 1.6

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Showing the murder dog reading a gauge using $$$ worth of model time is kinda not an amazing demo. We already know how to read gauges with machine vision. We also know how to order digital gauges out of industrial catalogs for under $50.

Agree. I'm unclear what's the highlight of this post. Is the multimodality of the model (that can replace computer vision), is it the reasoning part, is it the overall wrapper that makes it very easy to develop on top?

Re: Gemini Robotics-ER 1.6

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It does all start to feel like we'd get fairly close to being able to convincingly emulate a lot of human or at least animal behavior on top of the existing generative stack, by using brain-like orchestration patterns ... if only inference was fast enough to do much more of it. The gauge-reading example here is great, but in reality of course having the system synthesize that Python script, run the CV tasks, come bac…

Idk if you've seen this already but Taalas does this interesting thing where they embed the model directly onto the chip, this leads to super-fast speeds ( https://chatjimmy.ai ) but the model they're using is an old small Llama model so the quality is pretty bad. But they say that it can scale, so if that's really true that'd be pretty insane and unlock the inference you're talking about.

Robotics/control systems is exactly what came to mind when I saw this release! What struck me is the possibility of look ahead search in real time, a bit like alphazero's mcts.

Re: Gemini Robotics-ER 1.6

#14

I’ve been thinking about AI robotics lately… if internally at labs they have a GPT-2, GPT-3 “equivalent” for robotics, you can’t really release that. If a robot unloading your dishwasher breaks one of your dishes once, this is a massive failure. So there might be awesome progress behind the scenes, just not ready for the general public.

It's called "VLA" (vision-language-action) models: https://huggingface.co/models?pipeline_tag=robotics

VLA models essentially take a webcam screenshot + some text (think "put the red block in the right box") and output motor control instructions to achieve that.

Note: "Gemini Robotics-ER" is not a VLA, though Gemini does have a VLA model too: "Gemini Robotics".

A demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeBLc2D6bvg

Re: Gemini Robotics-ER 1.6

#15
post #3

Showing the murder dog reading a gauge using $$$ worth of model time is kinda not an amazing demo. We already know how to read gauges with machine vision. We also know how to order digital gauges out of industrial catalogs for under $50.

I think that where this gets interesting is when you can just drop these robotic systems into an environment that wasn't necessarily set up specifically to handle them. The $50 for your gauge isn't really the cost: it's engineering time to go through the whole environment and set it up so that the robotic system can deal with each of the specific tasks, each of which will require some bespoke setup.

Re: Gemini Robotics-ER 1.6

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I’ve been thinking about AI robotics lately… if internally at labs they have a GPT-2, GPT-3 “equivalent” for robotics, you can’t really release that. If a robot unloading your dishwasher breaks one of your dishes once, this is a massive failure. So there might be awesome progress behind the scenes, just not ready for the general public.

> If a robot unloading your dishwasher breaks one of your dishes once, this is a massive failure.

That's a bit exaggerated, no? Early roombas would get tangled in socks, drag pet poop all over the floor, break glass stuff and so on, and yet the market accepted that, evolved, and now we have plenty of cleaning robots from various companies, including cheap spying ones from china.

I actually think that there's a lot of value in being the first to deploy bots into homes, even if they aren't perfect. The amount of data you'd collect is invaluable, and by the looks of it, can't be synth generated in a lab.

I think the "safer" option is still the "bring them to factories first, offices next and homes last", but anyway I'm sure someone will jump straight to home deployments.

Re: Gemini Robotics-ER 1.6

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It does all start to feel like we'd get fairly close to being able to convincingly emulate a lot of human or at least animal behavior on top of the existing generative stack, by using brain-like orchestration patterns ... if only inference was fast enough to do much more of it. The gauge-reading example here is great, but in reality of course having the system synthesize that Python script, run the CV tasks, come bac…

What if we put slop images into slop machines and got slop^2 back out

Re: Gemini Robotics-ER 1.6

#18
post #8

Pointing a camera at a pressure gauge and recording a graph is something that I would have found useful and have thought about writing. Does software like that exist that’s available to consumers?

I'm pretty sure claude will one shot this for you, including making you a home assistant dashboard item if you ask it.

Re: Gemini Robotics-ER 1.6

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Nice. I couldn't find the part that I'm most interested in though, latency. This beats their frontier vision model for some identification tasks -- for a robotics model, I'm interested in hz. Since this is an "Embodied Reasoning" model, I'm assuming it's fairly slow - it's designed to match with on-robot faster cycle models.

Anyway, cool.

Re: Gemini Robotics-ER 1.6

#20

I’ve been thinking about AI robotics lately… if internally at labs they have a GPT-2, GPT-3 “equivalent” for robotics, you can’t really release that. If a robot unloading your dishwasher breaks one of your dishes once, this is a massive failure. So there might be awesome progress behind the scenes, just not ready for the general public.

I have broken dishes loading and unloading the dishwasher. Am I a massive failure?

My non-AI dishwasher can't even always keep the water inside. Nothing is perfect.

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