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Golden eagles' return to English skies

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Re: Golden eagles' return to English skies

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Post by onlypassingthru »

heyitsmedotjayb wrote: post #9
Planktonne wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Eagles are very well-known. 2. Farms that keep sheep have more than one lamb. 3. The government doesn't, and shouldn't, intervene to protect people against every single risk they face in business.

1) This particular spotted big breasted eagle is hardly known and of little importance culturally. 2) Farm margins are very thin and its not up to you to dictate what an acceptable loss is. 3) Government has successfully in the past used hunting bounties to tame wilderness and increase farming productivity. The eradication of wolves in the great plains turned unremarkable scrub land into the most successful and produ…

Wasn't the eradication of wolves just the natural consequence of destroying the food source and way of life of the natives? Gotta get those people dead or moved if you're going to steal their land, amirite!

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Post by 9dev »

mopsi wrote: post #8
Planktonne wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Eagles are very well-known. 2. Farms that keep sheep have more than one lamb. 3. The government doesn't, and shouldn't, intervene to protect people against every single risk they face in business.

4. Farmers are already facing great difficulties from economic shocks like Brexit, Covid, Ukraine and Hormuz in a short span of time, and further strain is unwelcome.

There will always be some reason against a measure that doesn’t immediately benefit humans in the short term but yields benefits in the long term.

Re: Golden eagles' return to English skies

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Post by Planktonne »

heyitsmedotjayb wrote: post #9
Planktonne wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Eagles are very well-known. 2. Farms that keep sheep have more than one lamb. 3. The government doesn't, and shouldn't, intervene to protect people against every single risk they face in business.

1) This particular spotted big breasted eagle is hardly known and of little importance culturally. 2) Farm margins are very thin and its not up to you to dictate what an acceptable loss is. 3) Government has successfully in the past used hunting bounties to tame wilderness and increase farming productivity. The eradication of wolves in the great plains turned unremarkable scrub land into the most successful and produ…

The golden eagle is one of the most culturally significant birds worldwide; it's ridiculous to dismiss that.

There was nothing unremarkable about the great plains (note the name); they didn't produce the crop yield that you value, sure, but that's not the only possible metric to measure anything against.

I think farmers are great; I don't think we should exterminate countless species to save them from one of the extremely-predictable externalities of their jobs.

Re: Golden eagles' return to English skies

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Post by 9dev »

heyitsmedotjayb wrote: post #9
Planktonne wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Eagles are very well-known. 2. Farms that keep sheep have more than one lamb. 3. The government doesn't, and shouldn't, intervene to protect people against every single risk they face in business.

1) This particular spotted big breasted eagle is hardly known and of little importance culturally. 2) Farm margins are very thin and its not up to you to dictate what an acceptable loss is. 3) Government has successfully in the past used hunting bounties to tame wilderness and increase farming productivity. The eradication of wolves in the great plains turned unremarkable scrub land into the most successful and produ…

If a farm is economically endangered by a single-digit number of animals killed by natural predators, they have vastly more immediate problems to take care of.

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Post by sophacles »

happytoexplain wrote: post #6
Planktonne wrote: post #2

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Just FYI, you should have sympathy. There's an enormous difference between weighing the pros and cons and coming to a different conclusion than somebody else, and having no sympathy for somebody else.

Just FYI...

There's an enormous difference between having no sympathy for an idea and having no sympathy for a person.

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Post by Bender »

mjfisher wrote: post #3

The reintroduction of Red Kites to the UK has been a huge success. I don't get particularly excited by birds normally, but regularly seeing such large creatures (almost 2m wingspans) curving through the sky is nothing short of majestic. They're almost reminiscent of dragons. I wonder if I'll get to feel the same about golden eagles soon too.

I don't get particularly excited by birds normally

Same. Sometimes one of my deer will get thwacked by a car just hard enough it stumbles up my driveway and falls over. There will be 3 golden eagles and 2 bald eagles fighting over it. The first time I saw them I had a double-take ... I swore at first I saw men sitting on my driveway fence. Golden eagles are massive and quite awe inspiring to watch. When they fight over road kill they stretch their wings out entirely.

Each time I have to make sure I still have an outdoor cat and I have to keep an eye on him until they are done. They seem to only eat the soft bits and leave the muscle meat for the ravens. Then the deer turns into a fly factory which I have to spray.

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Post by hermitcrab »

mjfisher wrote: post #3

The reintroduction of Red Kites to the UK has been a huge success. I don't get particularly excited by birds normally, but regularly seeing such large creatures (almost 2m wingspans) curving through the sky is nothing short of majestic. They're almost reminiscent of dragons. I wonder if I'll get to feel the same about golden eagles soon too.

We have a pair of kites that regularly land in a tree a few meters from my garden. They are beautiful looking creatures (even if not very beautiful sounding). It always lifts my spirits to see them. I hope the reintroduction of Eagles is similarly successful.

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Post by metalman »

mjfisher wrote: post #3

The reintroduction of Red Kites to the UK has been a huge success. I don't get particularly excited by birds normally, but regularly seeing such large creatures (almost 2m wingspans) curving through the sky is nothing short of majestic. They're almost reminiscent of dragons. I wonder if I'll get to feel the same about golden eagles soon too.

I have large lungs, and can be very loud, and where I live the eagles ridge soar whilst going from one place to another, at just a bit higher than the tree tops, mostly baldies here with the ocasional golden, and for fun I started, belowing EEEGULL strait up at them, and they do a double take WTF, pull a hard wing over to get a better look and the finnish there turn, and blast off down wind, so if you get the chance, punking eagles is a blast

Re: Golden eagles' return to English skies

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Post by cannonpr »

The red kites are fun, I do enjoy seeing them and they are a great addition to biodiversity. However they also on occasion bring a packed lunch (see pigeon) to my garden, upon which time I either have to watch a somewhat horrifying nature documentary live, or in some cases they just leave an injured pigeon that I get guilt tripped into patching up and rehabilitating… I’m somewhat split about the situation…
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