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Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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> Now Reeves says what's needed are policies and programs to draw male workers into fields such as nursing, teaching and social work. This is also true for an entirely different reason: all three of these fields would benefit hugely from having more balanced gender ratios

Almost like diversity, equality and inclusion is a net positive thing for everyone

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> 1. Give massive preferential treatment to women during university "Some schools are trying to attract male applicants by improving their sports programs; others invest more heavily in buying boys’ email addresses or give incentives to boys that they do not offer to girls — such as free stickers or baseball caps — for filling out information on the school website. Marketing materials are sometimes designed to speak…

No one believes anything the NYT says.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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It's frustrating that the only suggestion the experts interviewed have here is essentially blue-washing woman-dominated jobs. "For instance, many health care jobs could be framed as roles requiring the strength to lift people. Preschools could highlight the need for teachers who serve as positive male role models." Just reads as that one SMBC comic - "how can we make math pink?" As if the only way they can understand people is through the most shallow stereotypes.

Yeah, you can totally fix the imbalance in the nursing sector by showing ads with a bunch of male nurses driving monster trucks into the ICU and crushing energy drink cans on patients' foreheads! Or have a cowboy ride his horse into the preschool, smoking a cigarette that he lights by dragging a match across his own thick stubble! This isn't a structural problem, it's just a question of marketing!

Insulting.

Re: Women are getting most of the new jobs. What's going on with men?

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Citation needed, bad faith suspected.

Even adjusted for maternity and career entry/exit differences, the gender pay gap is still big and real. And while there is overlap and outliers, many more women-dominated industries are at lower pay segments (and with fewer benefits) than industries dominated by men.

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Academic achievement isn't rewarded socially for boys except a select core group. Therefore you don't get as much effort on boys who aren't in that core. Knock on effects could continue through the education system to the working world.

Also there is certainly a world right now that says, oh your a man? Life is pretty grand to be a man - especially if you are a certain social economic class. There is some truth to that but thats the exception not the rule.

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> Now Reeves says what's needed are policies and programs to draw male workers into fields such as nursing, teaching and social work. This is also true for an entirely different reason: all three of these fields would benefit hugely from having more balanced gender ratios

First hurdle: get a guy accepting the label of "male nurse" in the days of the manosphere.

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> Now Reeves says what's needed are policies and programs to draw male workers into fields such as nursing, teaching and social work. This is also true for an entirely different reason: all three of these fields would benefit hugely from having more balanced gender ratios

Almost like diversity, equality and inclusion is a net positive thing for everyone

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> The lopsidedness was driven by huge growth in health care, where women hold nearly 80% of jobs. Over the past 12 months, health care alone added 390,000 jobs, more than in the economy overall, making up for job losses elsewhere. i.e. Nursing jobs mostly go to women not because men can’t do them because “nurses aren’t men”, per our current cultural norms.

There's been a lot of talk about "toxic masculinity" over the years but I've heard of and would worry about the female equivalent if I were considering a role in nursing as a man. Many stories where the only man in the room is expected to be, simultaneously, a punching bag, a mediator for drama, and a willing recipient of sexual advances. Seems awful

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people are only starting to care because really bad things happen when you start to get a large portion of the male population being disenfranchised.

Yep. A bunch of unemployed and "unempowered" men sitting around leads to them thinking things like: "Maybe we shouldn't be so cooperative anymore."
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