I had to stop reading halfway through this article, my straw allergy had me sneezing uncontrollably at all the strawmen in there!
The cult of vibe coding is dogfooding run amok
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#13> I’ll start a conversation by saying “Let’s audit this codebase for unreachable code,” or “This function makes my eyes bleed,” and we’ll have a conversation about it until something actionable comes up. Then I explain what I think should be done and we’ll keep discussing it until I stop having more thoughts
This is painful to read. It feels like rant from person who does not use version control, testing and CI.
It is cruel to force machine into guessing game with a todler whose spec is "I do not like it". If you have a coding standarts and preferences, they should be already destiled and exlained somewhere, and applied automatically (like auto linter in not so old days). Good start is to find OS projects you like, let claude review it, and generate code rule. Than run it on your code base over night, until it passes tests and new coding standarts automated code review.
The "vibe coding" is you run several agants in parallel, sometimes multiple agents on the same problem with different approach, and just do coding reviews. It is mistake to have a synchronous conversation with a machine!
This type of works needs severe automation and parallelisation.
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#14It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work.
If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.
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#15AI is just another layer of abstraction. I'm sure the assembly language folks were grumbling about functions as being too abstracted at one point
Higher level languages that abstract assembly code are deterministic. AI, on the other hand, is not.
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#16> Then I explain what I think should be done and we’ll keep discussing it until I stop having more thoughts to give and the machine stops saying stupid things which need correcting. Users like the author must be the most valuable Claude asset, because AI itself isn't a product — people's feedback that shapes output is.
> Users like the author
He’s a pretty interesting fella, I imagine his work influenced a lot of people over the years
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#17AI is just another layer of abstraction. I'm sure the assembly language folks were grumbling about functions as being too abstracted at one point
AI is non-deterministic. Can it still be considered an abstraction over a deterministic layer?
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#18> Then I explain what I think should be done and we’ll keep discussing it until I stop having more thoughts to give and the machine stops saying stupid things which need correcting. Users like the author must be the most valuable Claude asset, because AI itself isn't a product — people's feedback that shapes output is.
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#20It’s truly strange that people keep citing the quality of Claude code’s leaked source as if it’s proof vibe coding doesn’t work. If anything, it’s the exact opposite. It shows that you can build a crazy popular & successful product while violating all the traditional rules about “good” code.
Yes that plus having tens of billions of gulf money certainly helps you subsidize your moronic failures with money that isn't yours while you continue, and fail to, achieve profitability in any time horizon within a single lifespan.