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UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by sunshine-o »

Here is the solution nobody is talking about:

The population of the UK or Europe did not explode in the last hundred years. It did not even double.

The population used to be more rural and relatively self sufficient in terms of food. There is actually enough land in Europe to feed everybody, especially considering the great progress we made scientifically. You can actually sustain yourself on a few hundred square meters of land and you won't get fat and be healthier (in your body and mind).

The great migration of the local population to the city to get a good factory or a bank job is over I believe. But the country side is still empty.

The reason is it is hard to make the jump first and ending up in the middle of nowhere living with a few old people. Also your politicians hate independent people so they are not gonna encourage it. They would rather keep you in a constant guilty state about their vision of "climate change" while letting you board a 10 GBP Ryanair flight for a week-end city trip or order useless things on Temu.

For Europe and many other places, the solution to a more sustainable future is actually quite straightforward.

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by [deleted] »

secondcoming wrote: post #5

> If collapse happens, it notes the UK does not have the ability to absorb global shocks through higher domestic output. It lacks enough land to feed its population or rear livestock to maintain current consumption patterns and price levels. Yet they're pushing to use farmland for solar farms and social housing. There's a real hatred of farmers among the UK Leftist/Green crowd.

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Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by supliminal »

sunshine-o wrote: post #11

Here is the solution nobody is talking about: The population of the UK or Europe did not explode in the last hundred years. It did not even double. The population used to be more rural and relatively self sufficient in terms of food. There is actually enough land in Europe to feed everybody, especially considering the great progress we made scientifically. You can actually sustain yourself on a few hundred square met…

I think you’re talking about subsistence farming, which plenty of places in Europe do practice. But it is hard work.

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by hdgvhicv »

sunshine-o wrote: post #11

Here is the solution nobody is talking about: The population of the UK or Europe did not explode in the last hundred years. It did not even double. The population used to be more rural and relatively self sufficient in terms of food. There is actually enough land in Europe to feed everybody, especially considering the great progress we made scientifically. You can actually sustain yourself on a few hundred square met…

Europe’s big problem is the hindered of millions of climate refugees on the doorstep. Even the most open heart liberal will baulk at the population doubling or more in 20 years. The only ones promising a solution will be the neofeudalists

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Post by hdgvhicv »

secondcoming wrote: post #5

> If collapse happens, it notes the UK does not have the ability to absorb global shocks through higher domestic output. It lacks enough land to feed its population or rear livestock to maintain current consumption patterns and price levels. Yet they're pushing to use farmland for solar farms and social housing. There's a real hatred of farmers among the UK Leftist/Green crowd.

The farmers are the ones selling the land off and living off the million pound proceeds

Farmland is worth £100/acre/year, at most that’s £3k an acre. But people pay £10k because it’s a way to avoid tax and if you get the right planning permission a way of making millions.

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by stinkbeetle »

hdgvhicv wrote: post #14
sunshine-o wrote: post #11

Here is the solution nobody is talking about: The population of the UK or Europe did not explode in the last hundred years. It did not even double. The population used to be more rural and relatively self sufficient in terms of food. There is actually enough land in Europe to feed everybody, especially considering the great progress we made scientifically. You can actually sustain yourself on a few hundred square met…

Europe’s big problem is the hindered of millions of climate refugees on the doorstep. Even the most open heart liberal will baulk at the population doubling or more in 20 years. The only ones promising a solution will be the neofeudalists

Why would an open heart liberal have any concern with welcoming refugees?

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by sunshine-o »

pjc50 wrote: post #9
secondcoming wrote: post #5

> If collapse happens, it notes the UK does not have the ability to absorb global shocks through higher domestic output. It lacks enough land to feed its population or rear livestock to maintain current consumption patterns and price levels. Yet they're pushing to use farmland for solar farms and social housing. There's a real hatred of farmers among the UK Leftist/Green crowd.

I don't think it's been possible to feed the UK domestically since before WW2. I note you put the word "social" in there; very little social housing is being built, it's mostly private. Agrivoltaics are also possible, but of course everyone would rather do the politics of emotions ("hate farmers") than discuss the issues. Such as how we grow enough electricity, too.

> I don't think it's been possible to feed the UK domestically since before WW2.

Of course you can, I know people being almost self sustainable right now on very little land. It is hard, frugal but highly rewarding and we have evolved to do it since very recently.

Energy and heating is a bit more complicated. We obviously cannot burn wood or coal like we use to because this is actually very damaging to the planet. So this is where technology has to play a bigger role.

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by hdgvhicv »

defrost wrote: post #6
secondcoming wrote: post #5

> If collapse happens, it notes the UK does not have the ability to absorb global shocks through higher domestic output. It lacks enough land to feed its population or rear livestock to maintain current consumption patterns and price levels. Yet they're pushing to use farmland for solar farms and social housing. There's a real hatred of farmers among the UK Leftist/Green crowd.

There's certainly a justified hatred of faux-farmers of convenience such as Clarkson et al. I suspect that's the hatred being mischaracterised and amplified by the GBNews Farrage crowd.

To his credit Clarkson has done more form farming with his show than countryfile or the archers has done in decades.

He bought it as a tax break, but I’d leave not ire for “farmers” like the musician and vacuum cleaner salesman.

Nothing caused me to laugh more at the “woe is the millionaire march” than seeing Lloyd Webber and his dog out on the march.

Re: UK intelligence censored report on global warming and homeland security

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Post by wat10000 »

sunshine-o wrote: post #11

Here is the solution nobody is talking about: The population of the UK or Europe did not explode in the last hundred years. It did not even double. The population used to be more rural and relatively self sufficient in terms of food. There is actually enough land in Europe to feed everybody, especially considering the great progress we made scientifically. You can actually sustain yourself on a few hundred square met…

How is having a bunch of people move to the countryside going to make for a more sustainable future?
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