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Firm boosts H.264 streaming license fees from $100k up to staggering $4.5M

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Re: Firm boosts H.264 streaming license fees from $100k up to staggering $4.5M

#11
This seems particularly desperate, but I'm not surprised this is happening, given that patent owners in general have been very angry that H.264 didn't wind up being nearly as lucrative as MPEG-2 was. Hell, I remember the days when they couldn't even agree if H.264 should have a free streaming tier at all or not - and it seems like that went away.

Maybe Google should finally make good on their threat to only stream YouTube in royalty-free standards.

Re: Firm boosts H.264 streaming license fees from $100k up to staggering $4.5M

#13
I guess to me this doesn't seem like that big of a deal? I mean if you have a 100 million subscribers, do you really care much about a few $million increase? I thought the big players like Youtube had already moved to open source codecs already anyway.

Re: Firm boosts H.264 streaming license fees from $100k up to staggering $4.5M

#15

I’m confused about this. If I have video on my website that is encoded in x264 am I obligated to pay fees?

Not if you are in Europe or in any other place where the H.264 patents have expired.

The patents are still valid in USA, Brazil and a few other places.

Re: Firm boosts H.264 streaming license fees from $100k up to staggering $4.5M

#16
They should be sued. It's incredible discriminatory to make it so ridiculously hard for new players to complete.

Hopefully the Licensing Alliance never ever ever gets another customer ever again. Hopefully no one uses any of their new encodings. This is an untrustworthy company, that always have been out to fleece the industry and hold back humanity. Licensing Alliance embodies Lawful Evil, is a stain on the patent system as a whole. It's hard to find the words for how awful, how enraging this cabal is. Ugh. What an evil drain.

We should be able to use computers for audio and video, and it shouldnt involve kings ransoms to some jerks who are better at paperwork & lawyering.

All that work on av1 and av2 looking more and more civilization ally essential as times goes on.

Re: Firm boosts H.264 streaming license fees from $100k up to staggering $4.5M

#17
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VP9, AV1

As the article says, there are companies seeking royalties for both of these codecs.

There is no proof that their patent claims over AV1 or VP9 are valid.

For now they try to bully some smaller companies with the threat of the big legal expenses that would be needed to fight these claims.

Re: Firm boosts H.264 streaming license fees from $100k up to staggering $4.5M

#19

I’m confused about this. If I have video on my website that is encoded in x264 am I obligated to pay fees?

Not if you are in Europe or in any other place where the H.264 patents have expired. The patents are still valid in USA, Brazil and a few other places.

*Claimed to still be valid.

If you're just hosting videos on your website you are probably using High Profile which was standardized in March of 2005, i.e. more than 20 years ago. That doesn't stop VIA and MPEG-LA from claiming they still have relevant patents, but that claim is dubious and hasn't been tested in court.

Re: Firm boosts H.264 streaming license fees from $100k up to staggering $4.5M

#20

Aren't VP9 and AV1 supposed to be "royalty free formats" ?

They have been created with the express purpose of avoiding incidents like this.

Instead of paying the ransom, a streaming company should transcode their movies to a royalty-free format, like AV1 or VP9.

Even big companies like Dell have preferred to disable the H.265 codecs in the computers they sell, instead of accepting similar demands for greatly increased royalties, and I think that it was the right choice.

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