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The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

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Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

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>> I recently told all my engineers to delete their IDEs. PyCharm, VS Code, Cursor. All of them. I’m all in on AI assisted development but this is ridiculous. There’s so many self evident reasons to need an IDE as a developer. Presumably the unidentified author is selling something that benefits from such a stance.

Yes. And then after you throw all your tools away you should buy my software.

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

#12

I feel like I'm starting to have an allergic reaction to the AI writing style. I can no longer unsee it, albeit I can't exactly pinpoint what about the text triggers this guttal reaction.

I've become conditioned to go catatonic when I see a sentence structured like "It's not X (that is Y), it's Z"

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

#13
I do all my dev in CC now.

Only occasionally review with an editor.

CC is great at many things but one area it is still not great at is making GUI interactions look and work properly. Literally likely because it can neither see the GUI (without manual screenshot intervention) nor can it see it change over time. So if for example a progress indication is not working correctly, it will totally miss stuff like that.

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

#14
> You're spending more time orchestrating than creating.

Orchestration is a form of creating. I've lead teams of programmers; while it is different than orchestrating AI, programmers typically require less hand-holding, it is not so different in how it is a form of delegating effort to achieve your creative goals.

> The agents aren't the problem. Your brain is.

If anything, my worry is that relying too heavily on agents will cause my knowledge to be forgotten and my skills to atrophy. I don't particularly want to stop programming so much as it is that I want to develop software as part of a team. That team now includes some AI agents, as well as humans.

The need to write code isn't going anywhere. I expect that in the very long term it will retain value, as developing expert level programming ability will be a difficult challenge when so much can be accomplished with little to no such ability.

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

#15

I feel like I'm starting to have an allergic reaction to the AI writing style. I can no longer unsee it, albeit I can't exactly pinpoint what about the text triggers this guttal reaction.

Because it's a machine pretending to have experiences. It uses abstract phrasing by default in a way that people don't. So the output feels uncanny. Starting to see this all over reddit comments too. I don't know what the point of not writing your own comments is, other than spam.

We are really reaching a point where the internet is becoming so unbearable. People that don't write their comments often want to farm engagment or just wanna sound smart. Either way, the thirst is disgusting to me.

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

#16
post #11

>> I recently told all my engineers to delete their IDEs. PyCharm, VS Code, Cursor. All of them. I’m all in on AI assisted development but this is ridiculous. There’s so many self evident reasons to need an IDE as a developer. Presumably the unidentified author is selling something that benefits from such a stance.

Yes. And then after you throw all your tools away you should buy my software.

I’d resign on the spot if my team lead told me to delete all IDEs and that coding is solved.

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

#17
ADE ? This is when I know we are running out of acronyms :)

ADE was the "Advanced Development Environment" that you could get in the 80s for the Wang VS System. ADE started suffering from some minor bitrot, so on the VS I wrote my own I called DE, Development Environment.

There was a decent chance DE would have been bundled with Wangs VS on AIX Environment that was being built in R&D, but the company went Chapter 11 and that project was cancelled :(

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

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post #17

ADE ? This is when I know we are running out of acronyms :) ADE was the "Advanced Development Environment" that you could get in the 80s for the Wang VS System. ADE started suffering from some minor bitrot, so on the VS I wrote my own I called DE, Development Environment. There was a decent chance DE would have been bundled with Wangs VS on AIX Environment that was being built in R&D, but the company went Chapter 11…

So cool! What alternative acronym do you propose?

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

#19

>> I recently told all my engineers to delete their IDEs. PyCharm, VS Code, Cursor. All of them. I’m all in on AI assisted development but this is ridiculous. There’s so many self evident reasons to need an IDE as a developer. Presumably the unidentified author is selling something that benefits from such a stance.

Exactly, our gen's gold rush.

Re: The IDE Is Dead. Long Live the ADE

#20
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. And then after you throw all your tools away you should buy my software.

I’d resign on the spot if my team lead told me to delete all IDEs and that coding is solved.

If all coding is solved, what do they need you for? You'd be laid off before you could quit if that was the case.
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