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MIT’s Freaky Non-Stick Coating Keeps Ketchup Flowing

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Re: MIT’s Freaky Non-Stick Coating Keeps Ketchup Flowing

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Forgive my naivete but can't this by achieved by using opaque teflon-coated insides? Teflon is already used as non-stick coating for pans. It might not lower friction as much as the video suggests but it should be better than glass.

Too see that this doesn't work, pour ketchup in a teflon pan and try to get it out again.

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Smith says. "I can’t say what they are, but we’ve patented the hell out of it." I'm curious as to whether anyone knows what's in the patents that means the coating is patented but still secret?

Never mind I've figures it out from a patent covering the subject:

From https://www.google.co.uk/search?tbm=pts&hl=en&q=EP19...

Surface 12 (Figure 1) comprises at least one material selected from the group consisting of a ceramic, an intermetallic, and a polymer. Suitable ceramic materials include inorganic oxides, carbides, nitrides, borides, and combinations thereof. Non-limiting examples of such ceramic materials include aluminum nitride, boron nitride, chromium nitride, silicon carbide, tin oxide, titania, titanium carbonitride, titanium nitride, titanium oxynitride, stibinite (SbS2), zirconia, hafnia, and combinations thereof. In certain embodiments, the surface comprises an intermetallic. Examples of suitable intermetallic materials include, but are not limited to, nickel aluminide, titanium aluminide, and combinations thereof. Polymer materials that may be used in surface 12 include, but are not limited to polytetrafluoroethylene, fluoroacrylate, fluoroeurathane, fluorosilicone, modified carbonate, silicones and combinations thereof. The material is selected based on the desired contact angle, the fabrication technique used, and the end-use application of the article.

Re: MIT’s Freaky Non-Stick Coating Keeps Ketchup Flowing

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Smith says. "I can’t say what they are, but we’ve patented the hell out of it." I'm curious as to whether anyone knows what's in the patents that means the coating is patented but still secret?

Isn't the whole point of a patent so that you do say how you did it and what you used? Otherwise it would be a trade secret?

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...somehow the fact that it's only made out of FDA approved ingredients doesn't make me feel save at all. it's a lot of dangerous stuff that is approved for food and drug use in certain quantities... but it's always about the quantity and nobody can even begin to test the effects of the combinations. and it clearly spells out the fact that some non-negligible amount of it ends up being ingested, otherwise they wouldn…

Sounds like you should stay at home and grow your food on your own farm. Lots of cooking tools use hi-tech research, from non-stick pans to heat resistant spatulas. I understand your concern, but there's no need to freak out over technology applied to food. There are more opportunities for less visible man-made technology to become dangerous in non-culinary situations, such as your home's insulation, or materials used in microchip packaging. There's less regulation there and higher chances of "science" having ill effects on you. If you don't live in California, there's a higher chance that you could be buying non-RoHS compliant manufactured goods that can be more hazardous to you than any culinary equipment.

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the article is misleading ("we could save about one million tons of food from being thrown out every year") because it's using absolute numbers to boost what is a relative saving.

there are a lot of sauce bottles. even an unimportant saving will, totalled over all of them, add up to an impressive sounding number. but unless the fractional amount of each bottle is important, it's really not significant: saving a million tons of food in an industry that produces thousands of millions of tons of food is neither here nor there.

this is the same problem as residual current in phone chargers. if everyone unplugged their phone chargers when not in use we could save some impressive sounding amount of energy. except that, compared to total annual energy consumption, it's not impressive at all - it makes no practical difference to the very real issues related to energy consumption (because your phone charger's residual current is absolute peanuts compared to that vacation you took by plane).

it's a small point, but it bugs me. sorry.

personally, i would tend to prefer a glass container (glass seems like a nice stable chemical that i have evolved in the presence of (think rocks)). and if the world really needs to save ketchup maybe i could just eat a little more healthily and skip a serving once a month?

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post #14
post #12

Forgive my naivete but can't this by achieved by using opaque teflon-coated insides? Teflon is already used as non-stick coating for pans. It might not lower friction as much as the video suggests but it should be better than glass.

Too see that this doesn't work, pour ketchup in a teflon pan and try to get it out again.

I love simple scientific, experimental responses like that. Thanks :)

Re: MIT’s Freaky Non-Stick Coating Keeps Ketchup Flowing

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That last photo is just hilarious. A group of people wearing safety goggles so they can pour ketchup out of a bottle. Those lab coats also look brand new. You can just imagine the photographer saying "quick! everyone! do science!".

Q: how many MIT scientists does it take to pour Ketchup out of a bottle? A: !+!+!+!+!+!=6

Did it never occur to them that they could just turn the bottle upside-down? Is that not why they designed the lids like that; so you could just stand them up on the lid?
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