F# is a really cool language. However without it's interop with the CLR it looks to me to be another ML clone. I wonder what they mean by "independent."
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Re: F# Foundation Launch : Open-source, cross-platform F# (1PM PST/9PM GMT Today)
#12Curious to see where that goes. I've been wanting to try it for a while, but a combination of lack of time and lack of enthusiasm for the .NET stack has kept me away from it. Is this used in production anywhere?
It's being used commercially in a number of companies. Off the top of my head: Credit Suisse, Aviva, Trayport, Gamesys as well as quite a few hedge funds on both sides of the pond.
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I don't think this is any technical change. Instead MS just got bored with F# and gives it a non-profit ("F# foundation") for maintenance. So it will be independent, ie. not affiliated with MS.
MS is not abandoning F#. This is a community-led effort to try to increase adoption of an excellent language and to create a better experience on non-microsoft platforms.
Not yet.
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F# already runs on Mono and is open source. Seems like it's not the case. Very interesting. There's a mention of "independent".
I don't think this is any technical change. Instead MS just got bored with F# and gives it a non-profit ("F# foundation") for maintenance. So it will be independent, ie. not affiliated with MS.
This is a community activity in addition to what Microsoft is doing
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#15Curious to see where that goes. I've been wanting to try it for a while, but a combination of lack of time and lack of enthusiasm for the .NET stack has kept me away from it. Is this used in production anywhere?
It is where I work. There was a bit of nervousness since most Microsoft shops are very adverse to change, but it's taking hold.
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F# already runs on Mono and is open source. Seems like it's not the case. Very interesting. There's a mention of "independent".
I haven't been tracking Mono-related news for a while, but didn't they abandon this project? Did it ever work well?
Who is "they"? Mono was transferred from Novell to Xamarin some time ago, but is alive and well (better than ever?): http://mono-project.com/Main_Page.
Re: F# Foundation Launch : Open-source, cross-platform F# (1PM PST/9PM GMT Today)
#18F# is a really cool language. However without it's interop with the CLR it looks to me to be another ML clone. I wonder what they mean by "independent."
That is my thought as well.
If one wants a strict ML language than compiles to native code then OCaml is a better solution, ditto for lazy ML languages by making use of Haskell.
F#'s real value is the ability to have a ML language as (almost as) first citizen in the .NET ecosystem.
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#19Curious to see where that goes. I've been wanting to try it for a while, but a combination of lack of time and lack of enthusiasm for the .NET stack has kept me away from it. Is this used in production anywhere?
It is where I work. There was a bit of nervousness since most Microsoft shops are very adverse to change, but it's taking hold.
Well, that probably beats C#. Are you in the finance sector?
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
F# already runs on Mono and is open source. Seems like it's not the case. Very interesting. There's a mention of "independent".
I don't think this is any technical change. Instead MS just got bored with F# and gives it a non-profit ("F# foundation") for maintenance. So it will be independent, ie. not affiliated with MS.
That's not quite right. A choice quote from the kick-off call today helps explain more about what's going on here: "Some customers require Microsoft support in order to adopt a technology; some customers require community (non-Microsoft) support in order to adopt a technology."
You can think of the F# Software Foundation as the community side of that equation and, well, Microsoft as the Microsoft side of that equation.