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A Message from the Ruby Central Board

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Re: A Message from the Ruby Central Board

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Not a rubyist so just curious on the background and if this is the “good” or the “bad” side in the spat? What’s the other side and what has been the broader community impact?

https://joel.drapper.me/p/rubygems-takeover/ Read the above, but tl;dr is that Shopify executed a hostile takeover of Ruby Central for its own benefit, at the expense of long-term maintainers and the general community. I'm not sure if there's been any real change since then, but there are many reasons not to trust anything that the board says at this point.

IMHO, Ruby Central keeps trying to find a way to frame all of this in a good light, but it seems like they keep falling flat. They tried doing filtered Q&A avoiding all the obvious questions that people hostile to what happened would ask, temporarily providing transparency reports that didn’t really say much. It all felt like very incompetent damage control.

I think they were hoping that handing it off to the Ruby core team would allow them to move on, but that requires ownership of their failings or at least actions that demonstrate that they will be better moving forward and none of that has happened.

Re: A Message from the Ruby Central Board

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, I had no idea dhh was on the outs now. This is the first I've heard of this. I have to go look for more information about this. What did he do?

Not sure he's "on the outs", he on Shopify's board. Sidekiq's solo dev (Mike Perham) has for many years made a generous donation to Ruby Central. He informed them that he didn't want his money to be spent platforming dhh at their conference, they ignored his request, he stopped his annual donations. If you want to read about dhh's colorful blog posts and tweets: https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-…

Colorful is an odd way to spell "vocally bigoted".

Re: A Message from the Ruby Central Board

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> Ruby Central’s actions during this period were taken in response to a breakdown in a working relationship with an individual who had significant access to infrastructure and code > [...] > At the time, we believed a serious risk had been introduced to RubyGems and related services. > [...] > The review was ultimately inconclusive because key logs required for a complete analysis were no longer available. We recognize that this creates continued uncertainty.

So, after all that finger wagging and posturing around how the new RC regime was right to oust the previous maintainers, it turns out none of their justifications had any basis in fact? In all honestly this has just been one rake-step after another and I can't imagine how anyone could continue to be confident in their decision making.

Perhaps gem.coop might win out just by virtue of not putting themselves in these positions unnecessarily.

Re: A Message from the Ruby Central Board

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this is why having a growing ecosystem is very important.

ruby's lack of growth has caused certain people, organizations etc to have an outsize influence for good or bad on the ecosystem.

some people have felt unwelcome altogether.

Re: A Message from the Ruby Central Board

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, I had no idea dhh was on the outs now. This is the first I've heard of this. I have to go look for more information about this. What did he do?

He came out as a white nationalist [1]. And he's always been contentious. [1] https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-thoug...

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Re: A Message from the Ruby Central Board

#16
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://joel.drapper.me/p/rubygems-takeover/ Read the above, but tl;dr is that Shopify executed a hostile takeover of Ruby Central for its own benefit, at the expense of long-term maintainers and the general community. I'm not sure if there's been any real change since then, but there are many reasons not to trust anything that the board says at this point.

Wait, I had no idea dhh was on the outs now. This is the first I've heard of this. I have to go look for more information about this. What did he do?

If you’d like to read, in his own words, his “coming out” as an ultra right wing racist piece of shit, feel free to look on his blog for the post titled “As I Remember London.”

Re: A Message from the Ruby Central Board

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure he's "on the outs", he on Shopify's board. Sidekiq's solo dev (Mike Perham) has for many years made a generous donation to Ruby Central. He informed them that he didn't want his money to be spent platforming dhh at their conference, they ignored his request, he stopped his annual donations. If you want to read about dhh's colorful blog posts and tweets: https://jakelazaroff.com/words/dhh-is-way-worse-than-i-…

Colorful is an odd way to spell "vocally bigoted".

I get downvoted here when I call him a racist.

Re: A Message from the Ruby Central Board

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> Ruby Central’s actions during this period were taken in response to a breakdown in a working relationship with an individual who had significant access to infrastructure and code.

This is the first time they’ve actually admitted that this was all about Andre.

> At the time, we believed a serious risk had been introduced to RubyGems and related services.

This doesn’t add up. Access was revoked and then temporarily restored. Nothing about this was mentioned in the meeting that took place before the access was removed again. See https://archive.org/details/gmt-20250917-160422-recording-64...

And what’s more, they didn’t even try to remove Andre’s access to AWS until he told them to.

> As stewards of services relied upon by millions of developers, we took that risk seriously and made the decision to act quickly to protect that infrastructure.

That’s not what Freedom said. Freedom said they needed to act quickly or lose funding.

https://apiguy.substack.com/p/a-board-members-perspective-of...

> A full, independent security audit has now been completed. The review was ultimately inconclusive because key logs required for a complete analysis were no longer available. We recognize that this creates continued uncertainty.

This makes it sound like there was some big security incident that they had to respond to. What actually happened is they forgot to remove Andre’s access to AWS and he told them and then they removed it. That’s it.

> Our intent was to stabilize a situation that was quickly escalating to work toward an amicable resolution.

If you watch the meeting (linked above) it’s clear that’s not what they were doing. This is a new spin they’ve come up with to justify it.

> Ruby Central did not initiate litigation and has consistently sought a path that would allow the community to move forward without prolonged conflict.

That is not what I’ve heard, but I’ll wait for others to post details of what’s happening in this space.

> At the same time, we recognize that aspects of how this situation was handled and communicated did not meet the expectations of the community.

They keep trying to admit fault in communication as if communication was the problem in an attempt to distract us from the fact they literally stole open source projects in a hostile GitHub takeover and used their privileges as administrators of RubyGems.org to take over the `bundler` package.

Re: A Message from the Ruby Central Board

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I don’t think there are “millions” of Ruby developers. It’s a large community but hyperbole doesn’t serve anyone.

Some estimates are about two million but I think that’s an extremely loose definition of Ruby Developer.

I run rubyschema.org which maintains the rubocop JSON schema that’s pulled via schema store. I can see there are about 21k unique downloads each month, which I think is a pretty reasonable lower bound.

Most text editors will pull this schema when opening a project with Rubocop.

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