A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses
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#13https://archive.ph/1BblR
"A School District Tried to Help Train Waymos to Stop for School Buses. It Didn’t Work."
Re: A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses
#14Obviously unacceptable to flaut the law. I do wonder what the risk profile is. Obviously kids can be eratic and unexpected, and coming out racing from behind a flat nosed pusher bus wouldn't be totally unheard of. But also do low key wonder if the Waymo's response time and speed might be enough so that there's not much real risk. The law and expectations ought be followed! But I am low key curious too, if perhaps the Waymo's infinite attention & seeming caution would mitigate the risk adequately.
The fact that it is passing stopped school buses does rather suggest that perhaps as cautious as it is, it still isn't smart enough to be cautious in the right ways.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a cop notices this, who gets the ticket? Asking because I’ve noticed Waymos starting to go above the speed limit now. They’re generally just matching the flow of traffic like everyone else, but it does raise the question: who gets fined? And if the fleet as a whole racks up more than 4 points in 12 months, would Waymo loose it's license similar to human drivers?
I remember when they told us that autonomous cars wouldn’t break laws and wouldn’t speed. I always felt this was just a strategy, and that soon enough fleet operators would turn up the dials on speed and aggressiveness. After all, the only people who can complain are the people outside the car, and they will be dead.
People are getting wise they can abuse these cars on the road, cut them off, not let them in. Waymo needs to respond like other drivers in the city if they want to merge lanes, force their way into the lane and demand space is created.
Re: A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses
#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a cop notices this, who gets the ticket? Asking because I’ve noticed Waymos starting to go above the speed limit now. They’re generally just matching the flow of traffic like everyone else, but it does raise the question: who gets fined? And if the fleet as a whole racks up more than 4 points in 12 months, would Waymo loose it's license similar to human drivers?
I remember when they told us that autonomous cars wouldn’t break laws and wouldn’t speed. I always felt this was just a strategy, and that soon enough fleet operators would turn up the dials on speed and aggressiveness. After all, the only people who can complain are the people outside the car, and they will be dead.
There are highways in the US where drivers regularly go 10-20 over the speed limit, if not more; maintaining the speed limit on a road that's labeled as 45MPH zone, but is treated as a 65, will be dangerous for everyone involved, both the cars approaching the slowpoke at 20+ miles an hour, and the slowpoke itself.
I don't know how Waymo is going to square that circle.
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I would settle for a fine each time, about $1000 in CA, and a point on some employees license.
$1,000 is not a meaningful amount of money to Google. Maybe if, based on the fact the entire fleet uses the same software, it is fined $1,000 per car in their fleet each time an incident occurs? Bear in mind $1,000 per incident is not enough money to justify paying a software developer to fix it.
What would justify it? Full years salary of a developer plus their fringe benefits? Probably what $300k fine?
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would settle for a fine each time, about $1000 in CA, and a point on some employees license.
$1,000 is not a meaningful amount of money to Google. Maybe if, based on the fact the entire fleet uses the same software, it is fined $1,000 per car in their fleet each time an incident occurs? Bear in mind $1,000 per incident is not enough money to justify paying a software developer to fix it.
Well, you can just treat them like they are anybody else. So, $1000 fine plus a point on the license of Waymo. And as suggested by another commenter in the thread, if the cars in the fleet (collectively) accumulate more than 4 points within 12 months, Waymo loses its license. As in, all cars operated by Waymo.
Re: A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a cop notices this, who gets the ticket? Asking because I’ve noticed Waymos starting to go above the speed limit now. They’re generally just matching the flow of traffic like everyone else, but it does raise the question: who gets fined? And if the fleet as a whole racks up more than 4 points in 12 months, would Waymo loose it's license similar to human drivers?
I remember when they told us that autonomous cars wouldn’t break laws and wouldn’t speed. I always felt this was just a strategy, and that soon enough fleet operators would turn up the dials on speed and aggressiveness. After all, the only people who can complain are the people outside the car, and they will be dead.
>After all, the only people who can complain are the people outside the car, and they will be dead.
I'm not sure how you can earnestly make this claim while reading people complaining about the speed and aggressiveness. Do you suspect you're replying to ghosts?
Re: A school district tried to help train Waymos to stop for school buses
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would settle for a fine each time, about $1000 in CA, and a point on some employees license.
$1,000 is not a meaningful amount of money to Google. Maybe if, based on the fact the entire fleet uses the same software, it is fined $1,000 per car in their fleet each time an incident occurs? Bear in mind $1,000 per incident is not enough money to justify paying a software developer to fix it.
Ticket and require a company lawyer and programmer to show up in traffic court for every infraction and explain current status of self-driving software.