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Re: Clojure: The Documentary, official trailer [video]

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I'll never be as cool as them.

But with AI now is your/everyone's chance!

AI might help you with building the thing that you want. But AI can't help you with finding out what is worthwhile wanting.

See also Rich Hickey's remarks on AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLDwbhuNvZo

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I've been running my business for 10 years now, relying on Clojure and ClojureScript. It is amazing to be able to base one's livelihood on a foundation that is so stable and well designed. Clojure has been designed by a very smart and very experienced person, and it shows. It has then been maintained and extended by a team built around a culture of maturity and stability, and the result is something you can rely on.…

Rich's talks have been the apex of my programming career. I didn't like sitting in front of a computer to the extent needed to make a living from it, so I moved on to another industry. And maybe I wasn't smart enough to become competent in Clojure. But I'm thankful for the eureka moments that Rich offered me. He's such a beautiful mind.

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post #11
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But with AI now is your/everyone's chance!

AI might help you with building the thing that you want. But AI can't help you with finding out what is worthwhile wanting. See also Rich Hickey's remarks on AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLDwbhuNvZo

It was sarcasm. My point was that with AI, anyone has a chance to make their name about this "amazing new tech" just like Rich and contemporaries did in the 2010's. Not AI as the means to an end, but as the end in itself.

Re: Clojure: The Documentary, official trailer [video]

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> `a -> a`; `[a] -> [a]`; It means nothing! It tells you nothing!

— Rich Hickey, Effective Programs[0]

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V1FtfBDsLU&t=4020s

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A disastrously poor take. I used to work at a Clojure company, and there's no chance I'd ever go back to that.

Re: Clojure: The Documentary, official trailer [video]

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I've been running my business for 10 years now, relying on Clojure and ClojureScript. It is amazing to be able to base one's livelihood on a foundation that is so stable and well designed. Clojure has been designed by a very smart and very experienced person, and it shows. It has then been maintained and extended by a team built around a culture of maturity and stability, and the result is something you can rely on.…

I would love to use Clojure but there are basically no jobs in my area with the language. Seems like the Nordics like Clojure but I'd need to move.

The very good backwards compatibility is attractive but as the result of the small community, there's also a lot of abandoned packages and fewer QoL packages (formatters, linters, etc); I know there are some but for example I had setup `cljfmt` in Emacs and it wouldn't work, didn't look further.

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> `a -> a`; `[a] -> [a]`; It means nothing! It tells you nothing ! — Rich Hickey, Effective Programs [0] [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V1FtfBDsLU&t=4020s --- A disastrously poor take. I used to work at a Clojure company, and there's no chance I'd ever go back to that.

I used to work in a Clojure company, but you wouldn't believe how loudly the lead developer chewed when we had lunch, never Clojure again after that.

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Clojure is the language that made me "understand Lisp", as originally stated by Eric Raymond and citet by Paul Graham: https://paulgraham.com/avg.html It seems like a small thing, but Clojure's choice to open up for other types of parentheses made seeing the structure of lisp programs much easier. This helped me understand how code is data and how macros are functions that can transform both code and data. An importa…

Lisp philosophy is all about inventing languages (libraries), creating abstractions for each problem. Clojure is all about using primitive data types and maps everywhere explicitly.
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