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Parrot in captivity manufactures tools, something not seen in the wild

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Re: Parrot in captivity manufactures tools, something not seen in the wild

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Interesting that the other parrot learnt by copying the first parrot, not buy independently coming up with the idea itself.

Thankfully the parrot was able to just copy and adapt without worrying abou IP laws :P

I'm imagining some magpie with a tie flying in, taking the stick and demanding a nut to give it back :D

Re: Parrot in captivity manufactures tools, something not seen in the wild

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What I wonder is: why is this so relevant if birds have been building nests for quite a while yet? I do not get the great difference... And please do not mention the 'tool' word: a nest is something MUCH more complicated and abstract than a tool.

Re: Parrot in captivity manufactures tools, something not seen in the wild

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post #5

Interesting that the other parrot learnt by copying the first parrot, not buy independently coming up with the idea itself.

Big evolutionary advantage in being able to transfer newfound skills through observation and copying.

Re: Parrot in captivity manufactures tools, something not seen in the wild

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Behold the creative powers of boredom! The life of parrots in the wild is too eventful for them to bother with making tools :)

How does bordeom theory explain the tool use of other bird species and other primates in the wild?

Re: Parrot in captivity manufactures tools, something not seen in the wild

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I have owned a small Myers Parrot for about ten years.

He is very clever in understanding his environment. Once he raised one wing over his head and lowered the other wing to make his shoulders narrow enough to walk between two obstacles. He also has a strange desire to explore dark closets - odd since he has poor night vision.

I advise against anyone buying a Parrot unless they have a lot of free time. A Parrot will thrive in captivity if he has a lot (a lot!) of attention, otherwise Parrots in captivity will be miserable. For example, my wife and I need to keep our bird in the same room where we are hanging out - it does not do at all to leave a Parrot by themselves and we only do so when we go out to some social event. When we travel I hire a bird specialist to care for him. I have mostly been retired for a long time, so he is a good pet for me.

Re: Parrot in captivity manufactures tools, something not seen in the wild

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What I wonder is: why is this so relevant if birds have been building nests for quite a while yet? I do not get the great difference... And please do not mention the 'tool' word: a nest is something MUCH more complicated and abstract than a tool.

And spiders can craft incredibly complicated webs.

However there is a big difference between something that you have wired into your instinct by thousands of years of evolution (such as nests and spider webs) and coming up with new tools in order to adapt to a novel environment.

Re: Parrot in captivity manufactures tools, something not seen in the wild

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What I wonder is: why is this so relevant if birds have been building nests for quite a while yet? I do not get the great difference... And please do not mention the 'tool' word: a nest is something MUCH more complicated and abstract than a tool.

Unfortunately I don't have sources to cite or know enough about the topic to explain it eloquently but I know you're wrong. Tool use is far more abstract and requires much more intelligence. The animal has to recognize and understand the problem at hand, the fact that they can create a tool, and then the method of using that tool. Nesting is an evolutionary trait that has existed for a long time.

Re: Parrot in captivity manufactures tools, something not seen in the wild

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What I wonder is: why is this so relevant if birds have been building nests for quite a while yet? I do not get the great difference... And please do not mention the 'tool' word: a nest is something MUCH more complicated and abstract than a tool.

Not a biologist but my guess would be that nest building is more or less "hardcoded reproduction code (perfected over time)" and this case is one of seeing a problem, finding a tool to fix the problem.
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