Yes, yes it is. And it's amaaaazing. We're going to have lots of sharp edges getting stuff like this secured, but it is not going to go away. Too useful.
What are your uses for it? If you don't mind sharing.
OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream
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Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream
#12I would like a personal assistant on my phone that, based on my usual routine and my exact position, can tell me (for example) which bus will get me home the quickest off the ferry, whether the bridge is clogged with traffic, do I need an umbrella? what's probably missing from my fridge, time to top up transit pass, did I tap in? etc etc. These things would appear on my lock screen when I most probably need to know t…
I mean that also sounds like a logical first step.
If “AI” can predict what you need, start with that. And layer in the “do it for me” (“book me the 1pm ferry”) later on.
Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream
#13Yes, yes it is. And it's amaaaazing. We're going to have lots of sharp edges getting stuff like this secured, but it is not going to go away. Too useful.
The first company to deliver a truly secure Claw is going to make millions of dollars.
I have no idea how anyone is going to do that.
Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream
#14Yes, yes it is. And it's amaaaazing. We're going to have lots of sharp edges getting stuff like this secured, but it is not going to go away. Too useful.
What are your uses for it? If you don't mind sharing.
I haven’t found ANY uses for it where it actually did what it was supposed to do.
Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream
#15Yes, yes it is. And it's amaaaazing. We're going to have lots of sharp edges getting stuff like this secured, but it is not going to go away. Too useful.
You assume the security is something you bolt on rather than the security weakness being inextricable from the value. The superior approach is to distill what the LLM is doing, with careful human review, into a deterministic tool. That takes actual engineering chops. There’s no free lunch.
Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream
#16I would like a personal assistant on my phone that, based on my usual routine and my exact position, can tell me (for example) which bus will get me home the quickest off the ferry, whether the bridge is clogged with traffic, do I need an umbrella? what's probably missing from my fridge, time to top up transit pass, did I tap in? etc etc. These things would appear on my lock screen when I most probably need to know t…
Sounds like you just need to install Apple Maps, Apple Weather^* and some separte fridge-tracking app. No need of additional intrusive AI
^* or equivalents
Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream
#17Responding to the tweet quoted in the article: why are the examples given of futuristic capabilities always so visionless - it's always booking a flight or scheduling a meeting. Doing this manually is already pretty trivial, it's more productivity theatre than genuinely life-changing.
There are real, impressive examples of the power of agentic flows out there. Can we up the quality of our examples just a bit?
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#19I would like a personal assistant on my phone that, based on my usual routine and my exact position, can tell me (for example) which bus will get me home the quickest off the ferry, whether the bridge is clogged with traffic, do I need an umbrella? what's probably missing from my fridge, time to top up transit pass, did I tap in? etc etc. These things would appear on my lock screen when I most probably need to know t…
Sounds like you just need to install Apple Maps, Apple Weather^* and some separte fridge-tracking app. No need of additional intrusive AI ^* or equivalents
Indeed I have a bunch of apps that do most of these things, but it's the seamless integration I'm looking for - which may not need much AI at all (especially of the LLM kind), just some well directed machine learning and UI integration.
Re: OpenClaw is a security nightmare dressed up as a daydream
#20> Separate Accounts for your OpenClaw
> As I have mentioned, treat OpenClaw as a separate entity. So, give it its own Gmail account, Calendar, and every integration possible. And teach it to access its own email and other accounts. In addition, create a separate 1Password account to store credentials. It’s akin to having a personal assistant with a separate identity, rather than an automation tool.
The whole point of OpenClaw is to run AI actions with your own private data, your own Gmail, your own WhatsApp, etc. There's no point in using OpenClaw with that much restriction on it.
Which is to say, there is no way to run OpenClaw safely at all, and there literally never will be, because the "lethal trifecta" problem is inherently unsolvable.