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GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Seems like a pure virtue signaling: they don't sell or make hardware. It is mandated only for pre-installed operating systems, from what I understand.

They've partnered with Motorola to have it preinstalled on phones, this is in TFA.

Could just ship it along on an SD card with a single button install you do yourself. Technically not preinstalled.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Motorola will obviously have a problem with violating the law in several US states. Like, what's unclear here? Do you seriously say that corporations should just ignore laws which they don't like?

If shipping a specific device configuration to the US is illegal, Motorola should not ship this specific device configuration to the US. I do not think our parent is suggesting otherwise. AFAIK Motorola and GrapheneOS are not merging, they are getting into a partnership. They do not have to think or do exactly the same. Apple can comply with both CCP and US demands at the same time without a problem. I am sure Motoro…

Motorola is pretty much only present in US these days, why would they build a product that can't be sold in their primary market?

Demanding that OSes outright violate the law because you disagree with your own elected government is pretty insane.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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They've partnered with Motorola to have it preinstalled on phones, this is in TFA.

Could just ship it along on an SD card with a single button install you do yourself. Technically not preinstalled.

I'm sure noone in the legal system of California would notice that trick!

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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I think that malicious compliance all the way might have been the better option here. If a birth date is all that is needed, let the user enter a random one. If actual biometric verification is needed alongside, let the user also paste the code to a fake biometric validator that always returns valid. It is the same philosophy as with an app that forcibly wants an invasive permission to the detriment of the user. Let…

Giving in in any capacity is unacceptable. The GrapheneOS foundation is based in Canada and is not obligated to record this information, so they wont. They have no reason to comply, be it malicious or otherwise.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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How's that gonna pan out with Motorola?

If Motorola have a problem with it, they obviously aren't the right partner for Graphene. Graphene obviously won't want to partner with a company that immediately bends over backwards for this kind of puritanical nonsense.

Motorola wont break the law. They just wont sell preinstalled devices, if preinstalled devices was even on the table for 2027.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Could just ship it along on an SD card with a single button install you do yourself. Technically not preinstalled.

I'm sure noone in the legal system of California would notice that trick!

Well correct me if I'm wrong but dumb laws are usually not written by people who know much shit about fuck. So it's entirely possible they wouldn't.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If shipping a specific device configuration to the US is illegal, Motorola should not ship this specific device configuration to the US. I do not think our parent is suggesting otherwise. AFAIK Motorola and GrapheneOS are not merging, they are getting into a partnership. They do not have to think or do exactly the same. Apple can comply with both CCP and US demands at the same time without a problem. I am sure Motoro…

Motorola is pretty much only present in US these days, why would they build a product that can't be sold in their primary market? Demanding that OSes outright violate the law because you disagree with your own elected government is pretty insane.

They are not building a product that cannot be sold in their primary market. They are not designing GrapheneOS devices, they are improving existing devices to meet GOS requirements. There will still be an OEM OS for those devices. Preinstalled GOS devices can simply not be sold there.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Seems like a pure virtue signaling: they don't sell or make hardware. It is mandated only for pre-installed operating systems, from what I understand.

Its a statement for the future. They arent bound to add this now but they could be in the future. They will adapt accordingly to avoid it.

Re: GrapheneOS refuses to comply with new age verification laws for operating system

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Seems like a pure virtue signaling: they don't sell or make hardware. It is mandated only for pre-installed operating systems, from what I understand.

They've partnered with Motorola to have it preinstalled on phones, this is in TFA.

Preinstalled devices is not the main goal of the partnership. GOS is ok without having that to start. Motorolas stock OS will still be available.
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