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Convincing Is Not Persuading

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Re: Convincing Is Not Persuading

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Post by nubg »

getnormality wrote: post #5

This AI-written post is part of an insight porn genre that attempts to draw a sharp distinction between two words that mean basically the same thing in real life. We read it, we politely agree that sure, you could use those two words to represent those two different concepts, then we go back to everyday life and continue to use them interchangeably. If you read the post and actually believed what it said, you would t…

> AI insight porn

put very succinctly. if done without ai, the more impressive!

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Post by clarkevans »

Heath Brothers' treatise, Switch: How to Change Things When Change Is Hard, describes three legs to facilitating a change: clear vision, sufficient motivation, and concrete first steps.

The title of this blog post hints at an important topic. However, I think even a single page summary or graphic from Switch may be more actionable. I don't love Switch's elephant analogy but it's good enough. It helped me with blind spots in my proposals.

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Post by johnisgood »

Avicebron wrote: post #3

There's something fishy with having a link at the bottom to share directly to HN.. It feels inorganic. Like this person has sat down and thought "how can I become an influencer on HN" it's disturbing.

Yeah, it does have a share button, but I do not think it is anything new, there is BlueSky, X, lord knows what else, and then HN.

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Post by johnisgood »

j16sdiz wrote: post #6
getnormality wrote: post #5

This AI-written post is part of an insight porn genre that attempts to draw a sharp distinction between two words that mean basically the same thing in real life. We read it, we politely agree that sure, you could use those two words to represent those two different concepts, then we go back to everyday life and continue to use them interchangeably. If you read the post and actually believed what it said, you would t…

I guess the only takeaway was: we should aware the other dimension (other than reasoning) when we try to convince/persuade somebody. This article can be re-written into something < 300 words.

Yeah. You convince with logic, you persuade with emotions. Done!

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Post by carra »

Avicebron wrote: post #3

There's something fishy with having a link at the bottom to share directly to HN.. It feels inorganic. Like this person has sat down and thought "how can I become an influencer on HN" it's disturbing.

Fishy or not, it worked. I found it on the front page here

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Post by gedy »

nubg wrote: post #2

Dear author, can you post the prompt? I'm not sure which parts are what you actually meant to write and which are LLM fillings.

It's a bummer but I click almost no blog or Show HNs any more due to the content engagement hacking with LLMs (and 99% are not sincere "well see English is not my native language", etc.)

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Post by [deleted] »

getnormality wrote: post #5

This AI-written post is part of an insight porn genre that attempts to draw a sharp distinction between two words that mean basically the same thing in real life. We read it, we politely agree that sure, you could use those two words to represent those two different concepts, then we go back to everyday life and continue to use them interchangeably. If you read the post and actually believed what it said, you would t…

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Post by bwfan123 »

getnormality wrote: post #5

This AI-written post is part of an insight porn genre that attempts to draw a sharp distinction between two words that mean basically the same thing in real life. We read it, we politely agree that sure, you could use those two words to represent those two different concepts, then we go back to everyday life and continue to use them interchangeably. If you read the post and actually believed what it said, you would t…

> This doesn't make sense to a typical English speaker

You read the words like they were generated by an AI - ie, empty words which did not make sense to you. ie, you did not derive meaning from it.

But for me, I derived meaning from this essay. Regardless of how the text was generated, I was able to relate it to some of my own insights.

For instance..

>Pascal used to distinguish between geometric and subtle minds (sensibilities). >The geometric mind works through axioms and deductions, step by step, like a >compiler. The subtle mind grasps a situation holistically, reading context, >feeling the weight of unspoken constraints, sensing what a room will and won’t >tolerate.

I read this as saying that as humans we have a "subtle" sense that can perceive the chaos out there and then derive patterns from that chaos and be able to symbolize them to derive theories of that chaos via the geometric mind. For example, the sense or feeling of space is symbolized into euclidean geometry. To me, this is a deep insight, and I did not know Pascal called it out. So, I learned something from this essay.

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