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Love of corporate bullshit is correlated with bad judgment

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Re: Love of corporate bullshit is correlated with bad judgment

#11
I absolutely love corporate jargon. Not in an earnest way, but maybe more in the way people love terrible movies.

For example, I’ll inject corpo-bullshit into regular conversations. When someone asks me to do something, instead of saying “no thanks”, I’ll say something like “this ideation aligns poorly with our 10,000 foot goals on a go-forward basis. Let’s revisit in a few cycles.”

Re: Love of corporate bullshit is correlated with bad judgment

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post #7

It's utterly maddening to me how much annoying doublespeak permeates through corporate American culture. Even when management does something that seems objectively awful, they always feel a need to try and spin it into something aggressively positive (e.g. treating layoffs as an "opportunity to reorganize"). You can't speak candidly about anything because anything remotely negative will come off as a "bad attitude" o…

> I am sure there are studies saying that being overly candid and honest leads to worse outcomes in corporations, and fine, maybe it's "necessary", but I don't have to like it. I wish I could live in the a utopia where people say what they actually mean. I wish I could live in a society were I'm not expected to pretend that this isn't fucking weird.

I've met a few genuinely atypical people who do wish this, and maybe that's you.

What's much more common, in my experience, is people who support the concept of "uncomfortable truths you shouldn't be too candid about" and don't realize that corporate speak serves as a lowest common denominator in that regard. To you and I "we all do this for the money" is a banal observation; to someone going through a midlife crisis, or someone in the middle of a fight with their spouse about how they missed their kid's big soccer game, it's a pretty sensitive topic.

Re: Love of corporate bullshit is correlated with bad judgment

#13

I absolutely love corporate jargon. Not in an earnest way, but maybe more in the way people love terrible movies. For example, I’ll inject corpo-bullshit into regular conversations. When someone asks me to do something, instead of saying “no thanks”, I’ll say something like “this ideation aligns poorly with our 10,000 foot goals on a go-forward basis. Let’s revisit in a few cycles.”

Thanks for the much needed laugh in these times.

Re: Love of corporate bullshit is correlated with bad judgment

#14
post #4

Having spent a long time in the consulting world and adjacent (national security particularly) spaces, I think the most pernicious thing about "jargon" is not that it serves as a social in-group bonding signal (which is part of the problem), but that it specifically conflates actions and outcomes in a way that bypasses critical thought. The use and misuse of natsec shibboleths like "lethality" is a good example; "we'…

> kicking out minority groups

Huh? “Lethality” is used as a euphemism for this?

Re: Love of corporate bullshit is correlated with bad judgment

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post #7

It's utterly maddening to me how much annoying doublespeak permeates through corporate American culture. Even when management does something that seems objectively awful, they always feel a need to try and spin it into something aggressively positive (e.g. treating layoffs as an "opportunity to reorganize"). You can't speak candidly about anything because anything remotely negative will come off as a "bad attitude" o…

> I am sure there are studies saying that being overly candid and honest leads to worse outcomes in corporations, and fine, maybe it's "necessary", but I don't have to like it. I wish I could live in the a utopia where people say what they actually mean. I wish I could live in a society were I'm not expected to pretend that this isn't fucking weird. I've met a few genuinely atypical people who do wish this, and maybe…

I don't disagree with anything you said, and I expressed a sentiment not too dissimilar about a week ago [1]. People like the idea of being direct but not actual directness.

When I was younger I was more accepting of regular corporate bullshit, but after a certain number of being lied to by startups you end up being kind of inoculated to it. Now I really wish they'd just be upfront instead of making me decode what they actually mean.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47373442

Re: Love of corporate bullshit is correlated with bad judgment

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post #4

Having spent a long time in the consulting world and adjacent (national security particularly) spaces, I think the most pernicious thing about "jargon" is not that it serves as a social in-group bonding signal (which is part of the problem), but that it specifically conflates actions and outcomes in a way that bypasses critical thought. The use and misuse of natsec shibboleths like "lethality" is a good example; "we'…

> kicking out minority groups Huh? “Lethality” is used as a euphemism for this?

Justification, hypothetically, not euphemism

Re: Love of corporate bullshit is correlated with bad judgment

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I think it's like any language. People pick it up when they are young and naive, and then it's just how people talk in that setting. Most probably don't even really think about it when they communicate in that style, it just flows naturally .

Re: Love of corporate bullshit is correlated with bad judgment

#18

I absolutely love corporate jargon. Not in an earnest way, but maybe more in the way people love terrible movies. For example, I’ll inject corpo-bullshit into regular conversations. When someone asks me to do something, instead of saying “no thanks”, I’ll say something like “this ideation aligns poorly with our 10,000 foot goals on a go-forward basis. Let’s revisit in a few cycles.”

And thanks to the recent Kagi Translate HN post, we have a tool to generate these more easily:

https://translate.kagi.com/?to=corporate-jargon&from=en&text...

Re: Love of corporate bullshit is correlated with bad judgment

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post #9
post #7

It's utterly maddening to me how much annoying doublespeak permeates through corporate American culture. Even when management does something that seems objectively awful, they always feel a need to try and spin it into something aggressively positive (e.g. treating layoffs as an "opportunity to reorganize"). You can't speak candidly about anything because anything remotely negative will come off as a "bad attitude" o…

Look into a job at Bridgewater https://www.businessinsider.com/what-its-like-to-work-at-ray...

The pay seems a bit low based on that article for that level of “performance expectation”

Re: Love of corporate bullshit is correlated with bad judgment

#20

I absolutely love corporate jargon. Not in an earnest way, but maybe more in the way people love terrible movies. For example, I’ll inject corpo-bullshit into regular conversations. When someone asks me to do something, instead of saying “no thanks”, I’ll say something like “this ideation aligns poorly with our 10,000 foot goals on a go-forward basis. Let’s revisit in a few cycles.”

Yeah, it's just fun to find creative ways to say common things!
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