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25 Years of Eggs

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Re: 25 Years of Eggs

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Inflation adjusted dsta just comes to tell us that either eggs have been outdoing the CPI for 25 years or that actual CPI is way higher than what the BLS calculates.

CPI tracks a weighted average of a large basket of different goods, of which eggs are only a small part. It would be extremely surprising if the change in egg prices over time closely matched CPI.

Re: 25 Years of Eggs

#12

Absolutely loved the article, the process, and the results. Hated the price. You could pay a human to read receipts, 1 every 30 seconds (that’s slow!), $15/hr (twice the US federal minimum wage!), plus tax and overhead ($15x1.35) comes out to $20.25/hr over 5 hours. $101 all in. Sure, sure, a human solution doesn’t scale. But this sort of project makes me feel like we haven’t hit the industrialization moment that i t…

I mean, at over 1000% the cost, the machine solution doesn't scale either?

Re: 25 Years of Eggs

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Inflation adjusted dsta just comes to tell us that either eggs have been outdoing the CPI for 25 years or that actual CPI is way higher than what the BLS calculates.

It depends what dates you're looking at, but energy (gas prices and more) and food (including eggs) are generally recognized as way more volatile than the rest of the CPI.

Eggs were actually quite stable for the 20 years prior to 2001, so maybe don't put your life savings into egg futures...

Egg prices: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APU0000708111

CPI: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CPIAUCSL

Core CPI (without food + energy prices): https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CPILFESL

Re: 25 Years of Eggs

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Absolutely loved the article, the process, and the results. Hated the price. You could pay a human to read receipts, 1 every 30 seconds (that’s slow!), $15/hr (twice the US federal minimum wage!), plus tax and overhead ($15x1.35) comes out to $20.25/hr over 5 hours. $101 all in. Sure, sure, a human solution doesn’t scale. But this sort of project makes me feel like we haven’t hit the industrialization moment that i t…

I mean, at over 1000% the cost, the machine solution doesn't scale either?

I think at a certain scale we're talking about switching to local trained models which don't have the same operating costs as running a frontier model for OCR. That would reduce the ongoing costs significantly. Might take longer than 30 seconds to read each receipt if you run multiple passes to ensure accuracy, but could run 24/7/365 without the same tax and administration overhead of humans.

Spherical cows aside though, I do agree with you that I should not consider scalability as a given.

Re: 25 Years of Eggs

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I usually avoid shallow comments but I feel like this time it has to be said as a conversation starter: That's a lot of eggs! Also ignoring the benefits of subscriptions, an estimate in the magnitude of thousands of dollars for extracting egg prices still makes me feel like we aren't "there" yet. This should have been a problem with a much more efficient solution given the advancements in the AI, data analysis and OC…

> This should have been a problem with a much more efficient solution given the advancements in the AI, data analysis and OCR space. There's got to be a "it's a chicken/egg problem" joke in there somewhere, but i'm not seeing it.

I actually was going to go for the "why did the chicken not cross the road?". Then I wanted to say "because it was in a price negotiation with the author to sell its eggs", but it was too wordy. Then I thought, "because the author had it as an egg before it could hatch", but it was too dark... Then I gave up.

Well, I guess you cannot make a chicken joke without breaking some eggs (I'll stop now. I'm really sorry, but come on, it's Sunday).

Re: 25 Years of Eggs

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Great article through and through. The total number of places you've bought eggs at made me feel a tad depressed though: 4 places where you lived at or spent a longer time, 5 you traveled to *.

I tend to grow bored of a location after a year or two, though I'm certainly in the minority.

* Of course you didn't buy eggs every time you traveled somewhere, so probably not the entire truth.

Re: 25 Years of Eggs

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I usually avoid shallow comments but I feel like this time it has to be said as a conversation starter: That's a lot of eggs! Also ignoring the benefits of subscriptions, an estimate in the magnitude of thousands of dollars for extracting egg prices still makes me feel like we aren't "there" yet. This should have been a problem with a much more efficient solution given the advancements in the AI, data analysis and OC…

> That's a lot of eggs!

Less than one per day, assuming they're doing groceries only for themselves

Re: 25 Years of Eggs

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Great article through and through. The total number of places you've bought eggs at made me feel a tad depressed though: 4 places where you lived at or spent a longer time, 5 you traveled to *. I tend to grow bored of a location after a year or two, though I'm certainly in the minority. * Of course you didn't buy eggs every time you traveled somewhere, so probably not the entire truth.

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Re: 25 Years of Eggs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, at over 1000% the cost, the machine solution doesn't scale either?

I think at a certain scale we're talking about switching to local trained models which don't have the same operating costs as running a frontier model for OCR. That would reduce the ongoing costs significantly. Might take longer than 30 seconds to read each receipt if you run multiple passes to ensure accuracy, but could run 24/7/365 without the same tax and administration overhead of humans. Spherical cows aside tho…

I suppose if we had access to a public data set like this receipt bank, programmers could time themselves setting up a solution with off the shelf OCR algos. If they could clock in at under 10 hours they could advertise themselves as being "just as good as an LLM, but significantly cheaper." Downside for the managerial class that wants generative algos for the complete lack of legal protections.

Re: 25 Years of Eggs

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Apart from the comical cost of extracting this data from paper receipts, is it more likely that stores will publish their product costs over time so trends can be observed or be more like gas stations where no prices are listed. I have no idea why a box of Cheerios costs $7 for processed oats but i see millions of reasons to obscure that data.
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