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Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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Re: Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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One should never call something "unhackable" ...

Given that it held up against 13 years of dedicated efforts by people with physical access to the device, many years after its successor was launched, it seems merited in this case. This talk about some of what went into it is fascinating: https://youtu.be/quLa6kzzra0

It literally got hacked, that's what the article is about. It is NOT unhackable.

Re: Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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post #9

This is great news. Hopefully this opens the floodgates towards emulation and homebrew. Not that there are really any exclusives, but it would be interesting.

I'm just excited at the opportunity to re-purpose my old launch day XBone as some kind of little homelab linux box.

Re: Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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post #3

One should never call something "unhackable" ...

Given that it held up against 13 years of dedicated efforts by people with physical access to the device, many years after its successor was launched, it seems merited in this case. This talk about some of what went into it is fascinating: https://youtu.be/quLa6kzzra0

"Extremely hard to hack" or "Hackable only after it's retired" don't exactly roll off the tongue, but they are not synonymous with "Unhackable".

In many cases the truth is simply that its not worth the time/effort to hack it, so only the most dedicated perverts(with a positive connotation) keep trying.

Re: Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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It wasn't unhackable and decrypted versions of games already have been dumped. There was even a public exploit published years ago.

https://github.com/exploits-forsale/collateral-damage

What's new here is that this compromises the entire system security giving access to the highest privilege level.

Re: Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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post #11
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that it held up against 13 years of dedicated efforts by people with physical access to the device, many years after its successor was launched, it seems merited in this case. This talk about some of what went into it is fascinating: https://youtu.be/quLa6kzzra0

It literally got hacked, that's what the article is about. It is NOT unhackable.

Microsoft stopped manufacturing in 2020. It was not hacked in its lifetime.

Re: Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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post #11
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given that it held up against 13 years of dedicated efforts by people with physical access to the device, many years after its successor was launched, it seems merited in this case. This talk about some of what went into it is fascinating: https://youtu.be/quLa6kzzra0

It literally got hacked, that's what the article is about. It is NOT unhackable.

To the community it was unhackable, until very recently. It's security measures held up so long that it appeared to be unshakable. There were no obvious flaws. In hindsight it was hackable, but keep in mind how long it took. This console has long been obsoleted.

Re: Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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One should never call something "unhackable" ...

I wish people would take statements in relative terms along with the whole context before attempting to refute them with a quick gotcha in absolute terms. Obviously nothing is ever unhackable, not even Fort Knox, given infinite time and resources, and Microsoft never made such claims, this is just media editorializing for clicks and HN eating the bait, but Xbox One was definitely the most unhackable console of its ge…

> Case in point, it took 13 years of constant community effort to hack it.

Can you attempt to quantify this effort in comparison to other game consoles? I'm not very familiar with the Xbox scene, but I would assume that there was a lot less drive to achieve this given that Xbox has never really had many big exclusive titles and remains the least popular major console (with an abysmally tiny market presence outside of the US).

As an aside, I wonder if Microsoft's extra effort into securing the platform comes from their tighter partnership with media distributors/streaming platforms and their off-and-on demonstrated desire to position the Xbox as a home media center more than just a gaming console.

Re: Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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post #6

One should never call something "unhackable" ...

In the very strict interpretation probably nothing is unhackable, just not hacked yet. But one should also be pragmatic about what "unhackable" means in context. Without the power of hindsight, a consumer device that stayed unhacked for ~13 years can be reasonably called unhackable during this time.

I think it's like calling a ship "unsinkable". Yes, you engineered it to not sink, in accordance with strict maritime standards no doubt, but just don't call it unsinkable. If you call it unsinkable you're just begging for a century of snickering at your hubris.

Re: Microsoft's 'unhackable' Xbox One has been hacked by 'Bliss'

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post #5

Marcus used to work for Microsoft, in the MSRC. I wonder if he used insider knowledge for this hack.

Microsoft released a video that covers effectively all of the Xbox One security system, and it's referred to extensively in the talk. The specific methods of glitching don't require any insider knowledge.
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